yesterday at 6:27 PM
Skeptical of using because it's not clear whether this was just an exercise or a real product they are going to ship and maintain.
Floci[0] has been great for me. Use the Testcontainers[1], too.
Bonus: works for GCP and Azure, too (so far have only used in limited capacity, though).
[1] https://testcontainers.com/modules/floci/
yesterday at 6:31 PM
It’s a real product that we plan to maintain.
yesterday at 7:43 PM
Is there anywhere I can find a matrix of what services are emulated and how complete that emulation is? I tried the docs but just ended up going round in circles.
yesterday at 8:08 PM
Sort of. The releases page leads you to a massive blob of json with all the compatibility tests and scores.
Edit: The current one: https://github.com/aws/aws-emulator/releases/download/v1.0.3...
You can get some idea if the product name is unique enough with <ctrl-f> and looking at each of the related test scores.
yesterday at 8:42 PM
Asked a clanker to correlate the test data (link in parent) with: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/aws/aws-emulator-evaluatio...
And output something meaningful for some of the more popular services:
Service Tests All Happy Reject Ctrl Data Solo Integ Wire# Wire%
----------------- ----- --- ----- ------ ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- -----
Data Firehose 288 77% 85% 91% 92% 72% 89% 59% 24 62%
SES 132 72% 65% 79% 79% 42% 79% 0% 21 52%
EventBridge 889 71% 74% 64% 72% 68% 83% 67% 75 84%
KMS 432 70% 82% 69% 81% 68% 97% 36% 69 84%
Step Functions 907 70% 79% 53% 69% 67% 73% 65% 68 76%
DynamoDB 1437 69% 70% 61% 62% 65% 82% 53% 243 62%
SNS 594 69% 72% 55% 62% 68% 75% 65% 39 69%
SQS 1480 68% 70% 67% 61% 68% 94% 62% 29 45%
Secrets Manager 414 68% 78% 65% 66% 72% 79% 57% 26 77%
Cognito UserPools 781 65% 67% 66% 82% 36% 75% 33% 193 64%
S3 2488 62% 62% 57% 61% 57% 83% 51% 296 68%
CloudFront 627 62% 62% 63% 70% 46% 71% 41% 190 22%
API Gateway 1009 61% 64% 59% 77% 41% 75% 43% 200 73%
SES v2 210 61% 63% 59% 75% 48% 77% 40% 44 30%
Route 53 130 61% 63% 59% 62% 53% 69% 0% 49 67%
CloudWatch 1186 60% 66% 51% 66% 53% 77% 36% 152 55%
ECR 392 60% 55% 75% 67% 49% 87% 27% 74 65%
Kinesis 380 59% 69% 44% 63% 50% 62% 54% 25 44%
IAM 991 58% 63% 50% 60% 34% 78% 41% 228 57%
Batch 274 58% 62% 59% 78% 20% 65% 17% 19 47%
CloudWatch Logs 1016 58% 61% 54% 71% 47% 78% 41% 185 59%
OpenSearch 342 57% 62% 52% 70% 29% 59% 50% 98 48%
API Gateway v2 292 57% 64% 52% 74% 38% 73% 33% 107 27%
EKS 349 57% 60% 52% 65% 10% 59% 38% 55 62%
Glue 646 54% 51% 55% 66% 32% 69% 40% 155 43%
Lambda 2808 53% 53% 42% 58% 48% 48% 54% 171 42%
ECS 808 51% 45% 52% 62% 23% 62% 34% 118 44%
Redshift 241 49% 57% 47% 53% 52% 47% 57% 50 46%
STS 218 49% 58% 46% 56% 30% 57% 34% 22 50%
ELBv2 596 45% 43% 47% 55% 19% 58% 30% 111 63%
RDS 659 43% 54% 45% 54% 35% 51% 31% 99 28%
ElastiCache 186 42% 43% 49% 54% 0% 47% 17% 27 41%
EC2 2043 40% 35% 36% 39% 5% 44% 32% 429 33%
CloudFormation 2019 36% 33% 31% 30% 40% 78% 24% 2161 3%
AppSync 419 34% 35% 35% 54% 1% 44% 0% 91 13%
SSM 566 28% 28% 27% 27% 25% 26% 30% 175 11%
Athena 420 22% 20% 15% 7% 28% 16% 37% 37 0%
EC2 Auto Scaling 440 21% 19% 23% 19% 18% 21% 20% 89 16%
Edit: Also worth a look: https://ministack.org/blog/aws-emulator
yesterday at 7:50 PM
If its up to this emulator to keep track of changes in Services APIs this is doomed to fail.
yesterday at 7:55 PM
I believe AWS already autogenerates their API clients (e.g. boto3) based on some authoritative internal service api spec so I imagine that spec could be used upstream of this tool as well.
yesterday at 8:35 PM
But their auto generated API clients don't have the invariant baked into them, which makes them very rough to use in say Rust.
They'll have something like this:
MySchema:
type: object
properties:
enum_member: { enum: [foo, bar] }
enum_member_2: { enum: [quz, qux] }
if: { properties: { enum_member: { const: bar } } }
then: { required: [enum_member_2] }
So your Rust API is full of Option, and it gets really annoying when you're testing things like say Bedrock, which takes 10 minutes, and then fails because what you submitted 10 minutes before doesn't match their schema.
I understand this can be fixed by reading the documentation in more detail, but it has gotten so verbose, and sometimes you just want to start something.
yesterday at 7:57 PM
Yeah whatever they did internally to get service teams to actually adopt AWS Config ~5 years ago needs to happen here or it’s going to get stuck with marquee services and that’s it. Especially given this is a much much larger ask of each service.
yesterday at 8:31 PM
AWS Config already doesn’t support some pretty important things
yesterday at 9:18 PM
Agreed but it used to be way way worse.
today at 1:12 AM
AWS has lots of unfunded mandates like this and they historically just depended on bleeding the souls of engineers and managers to get done.
I suspect this is built by agents through bleeding the soul of GPUs until it gets too expensive (unfunded mandates are free after all on the OP1/2). Then it just decays into the place all good PR/FAQs decay once their sponsors are promoted, burned out, or are laid off.
yesterday at 11:54 PM
There are many AWS services. Simply offering an alternative to a few of the most used could be a good business. It doesn't have to cover all AWS in all release versions, just enough to get and hold some clients
yesterday at 8:05 PM
This wasn't clear to me, either.
yesterday at 8:14 PM
I mock (ask Claude Code to make something run in a container) my own AWS services today for CI and development. I'm excited to learn more about how AWS uses it and hopefully use this for CI and development.
yesterday at 10:52 PM
Not to be rude, but your profile doesn't list who you are in relation to AWS.
yesterday at 9:40 PM
Any chance it will be able to spawn actual containers in the future?
today at 2:40 AM
That is pretty much the key thing IMO. It needs to be able to run our actual code, locally, with fairly high fidelity to the real thing in terms of behavior.
For the AWS people behind this, it means going the extra mile(s), with a level of care and depth that you typically mostly see within great startups. Perhaps agentic coding will enable AWS to reach this, perhaps it will stay relatively abstract.
today at 2:20 AM
Okay I've asked for this product for literally years on a cadence of every 18 months, so I'm very thankful to hear this.
today at 3:14 AM
>> Skeptical of using because it's not clear whether this was just an exercise or a real product they are going to ship and maintain.
> It’s a real product that we plan to maintain.
29,684 commits in a repository less than a month old does not instill confidence in this being a "real product." That is roughly 1,000 accepted commits per day.
today at 3:54 AM
Planning to maintain probably means planning to continue telling Claude to maintain it
today at 6:07 AM
And that’s probably something that AI will be really good at.
yesterday at 11:25 PM
Good! Been waiting for a first party thing like this.
It’s actually interesting that such a thing exists. It’s in Amazon’s interest that the only way to test a lot of services is to have a test environment in AWS.
yesterday at 6:48 PM
Nothing personal, but unless you can link us to a public announcement made by Amazon, your statement is worth less than nothing.
Official statements made by a company are still poor representations of their current business plans, and don't mean anything 3 months later (no matter how much they pinky promise). But a HN post isn't even that.
yesterday at 7:03 PM
I don’t take it personally; I realize you don’t know me, and a sentence on HN isn’t much of a guarantee.
That said, it’s been announced publicly here: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/aws/how-autonomous-ai-agent...
Additionally Swami, our SVP of AI blogged about it separately and our CTO is tweeting about it - which is more than a number of products get in terms of coverage.
yesterday at 7:12 PM
I didn't mean announcing the tool, I meant an announcement committing to the maintenance/support that users like the GP poster were looking for. My bad on describing that clearly, I'm gonna get clowned on in the comments and I'm not turning this around.
yesterday at 8:24 PM
It has its official document page: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/emulator/latest/userguide/gettin... and it lives in https://github.com/aws/ org. I think AWS is pretty committed.
yesterday at 7:32 PM
I understood what you meant. I was just trying to add evidence to support my claim that it was a real product and would be maintained. And yeah, votes on comments can be fickle.
yesterday at 8:01 PM
I think one thing that concerns many people is that this looks like AI slop, which it clearly is according to the blog post.
I think this is a super interesting direction, but how can we trust the accuracy of this simulator? Agentic loops are great and all, but they can still miss plenty of things.
Or maybe a better question: where is the accuracy of this simulator going to be guaranteed enough that we should trust it?
yesterday at 8:11 PM
To me, something like this is actually what vibe coding thrives the best at; tight, looped, easily verifiable, test-driven dev work. In fact, this is probably the field it can do with little or no intervention, if you're willing to waste tokens.
yesterday at 8:24 PM
Is it? How is it verified that this catches all the potential edge cases of interacting with AWS? Or is handling all the edge cases of AWS not in scope?
Like, what am I actually getting here? Is it just happy path operations being correct here?
yesterday at 8:59 PM
For real edge cases, it will be like any other software. Users get to be the guinea pigs and report bugs as they find them.
Hopefully AWS has had enough internal guinea pigs before they published this!
yesterday at 9:50 PM
In the near future, every case will be a real edge case and every one will be a guinea pig.
The border between AWS and AWS emulator becomes fuzzy. And the users of AWS will be agents as well. A completely offline emulator will save a lot of resources and could be a great training ground for more focused (offline) models.
yesterday at 10:04 PM
Back in the day, we assumed that when a major company open sourced code, that code would have problems. We invented all these things like ‘issues’ to deal with this.
yesterday at 6:54 PM
https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/aws/how-autonomous-ai-agent... ?
yesterday at 6:58 PM
yesterday at 7:10 PM
GP statement still stands, actually being strengthened. This blog post doesn't even mention nor seems to care about maintainability or long-term support or anything that users will care about. Only talks about how cool the team is and how amazing they're at using AI, multi-agent workflows, and this kind of bs. It's funny how author talks so much about testing when they themselves also boast how they haven't written or reviewed any of the code.
yesterday at 8:08 PM
Also doesn't mention any benchmarks or compatibility matrix.
This feels like table stakes for an emulator.
yesterday at 6:50 PM
Until the plan changes, which at some point, it will. Comment is still appreciated for what it is.
Edit: Comment is in the spirit of "it gets tiring to build on sand which is at the whims of corporate management folks far disconnected from the actual work." If someone is asserting "this will stick around," words are insufficient, words are free. Show me the contract, show me the penalties for failure to abide by the assertion.
yesterday at 7:00 PM
This is an Amazon product, not a Google product.
yesterday at 7:57 PM
Amazon team killed the Copilot CLI[0] which I thought was the single best thing they ever did for AWS infra. Made it tolerable to deploy on AWS; still salty about this one.
[0] https://aws.github.io/copilot-cli/
today at 6:13 AM
Yes, we are still struggling with a good replacement. The way they handled this - from steady release cadence to complete stop with no info at all but just speculations makes me very reluctant to adopt AWS maintained projects.
today at 12:47 PM
There has been no food replacement as far as I can see that doesn't involve writing a pile of code for what Copilot was doing with a few lines of config.
yesterday at 7:07 PM
yesterday at 7:22 PM
The two have different failure modes.
Google builds up a product over time and abandons it. This is annoying for long term adopters.
AWS has a habit of throwing a bunch of products at the wall, but only bothering to maintain & build up a few of them. This is annoying for early adopters.
yesterday at 7:38 PM
Azure on the other hand. Will throw products out, ensure they are never consistent with other offerings on their platform, and then deprecate it from under you while promoting the same thing with a new name.
yesterday at 7:53 PM
I think there was some truth in this in the early days of Azure (and all clouds) as the companies were looking to work out what cloud services were really needed. I don't see this as much any more though esp when a services makes it to GA they have published commitments for service availability and API compatibility. (I was in Azure for 10+ years so definitely let me know if you disagree)
yesterday at 9:09 PM
Yeah I disagree. First of all, Azure is mostly garbage so avoid it if you can. Second of all, Azure deprecation follows Microsoft's general policy of deprecation which is The Fadeaway Policy. Don't publish anything publicly about it, gut the team to go work on something else, transfer the service to be one of 6 dozen other services some random offshore team is "maintaining", experience enough outages and trouble and during every support call they nudge you to move to something else, but the service is "totally not deprecated" because we haven't gotten a memo that says that, but we're only doing "security" fixes now. wink wink, nudge nudge.
yesterday at 9:17 PM
Fine to disagree - but it would be better to share real insights rather than just blanket statements. Sounds like you have had some bad experiences - maybe you could share more?
yesterday at 9:47 PM
Let me quickly compile a list of the last 700 failing bicep deployments with an “Internal Service Error” or No capacity errors along the all the no-op idempotent puts that take 30+ minutes for some reason, the broken networking system all up, the constant support advise to move to different regions, except half the things you use are not in that region, or the constant advice to just delete everything and start again or the half docs half marketing fluff docs. Azure only exists because large enterprise looks at a list of checkboxes before signing a contract. No reasonable person should ever use that garbage unless you’re offered deep discounts to do so, and even then, limit your usage to things you can migrate easily whenever the discount expires.
yesterday at 11:53 PM
Yup I hear you with bicep. Post Microsoft I've used either Terraform or Pulumi. Sorry to hear about the other issues.
yesterday at 11:26 PM
To be fair, that's Microsoft in general
yesterday at 7:47 PM
This is annoying for everyone.
yesterday at 7:49 PM
And Azure will send you an email every day about how you need to migrate X to Y without any way for you to know where those instances are or how to find them.
yesterday at 7:30 PM
yesterday at 7:15 PM
You're certainly not wrong. But in the wake of Localstack's changes, the landscape has been full of slopware and low trust anyway. I don't think this is worse, for now at least.
yesterday at 7:08 PM
Why would you say this? AWS are notorious for maintaining things.
yesterday at 7:49 PM
"Things change over time" that is how the linear passage of time tends to work, yes.
yesterday at 6:58 PM
I mean isn't that true for every single thing made by anyone? In that case what more do you want from them?
yesterday at 9:12 PM
As someone who used QLDB as a WORM audited log for a financial system, and ran AWS classes that used Cloud9, they do depricate.
Not many, and not often but it is annoying.
yesterday at 8:33 PM
A bit more polish for a public facing artifact from a multi-billion dollar org with armies of engineers and big token budgets.
The Copilot CLI https://aws.github.io/copilot-cli/ you can feel polish and pride of the team that built this, as an example.
yesterday at 7:07 PM
Except for things they make: forever maintained forever.
yesterday at 6:40 PM
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yesterday at 6:55 PM
You are talking to a person in some sort of relevant capacity and the abstract entity called “AWS”. You know that right?
yesterday at 6:59 PM
This site is riddled with companies and commenters officially representing massive entities that go back on their promises. Are you saying that we should trust them just because they represent their company?
yesterday at 7:18 PM
FFS this is a huge effort in an area that was badly under-served.
Can we just appreciate that they _appear_ to be doing the right thing here? Save the criticism for when (if?) they turn their backs.
yesterday at 7:33 PM
Strongly agree. I've been wanting an official emulator from AWS for years. It looks like they've finally produced it, and it looks like somebody that works there is saying they're planning on maintaining it. And they've blogged that it was released. And somehow the comments are focusing on the fact that they haven't promised to maintain it for a long time. It's extremely rare to ever see statements about longevity when something is first announced.
yesterday at 7:27 PM
HN has gone wildly cynical in a way I haven't seen in this community previously. It's exhausting, and makes me spend less time here.
I appreciate the effort dang and team have put into keeping the quality high here over the years, and I'm not sure what the optimal solution is.
yesterday at 8:09 PM
It comes from a history of this sort of thing where an Amazon staff person will say that X will always or never happen and then their promises falls flat because of big company dynamics.
Fig: "The open-source project will continue to be maintained!" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39684576
And yet: https://github.com/withfig/autocomplete/issues/2068
Work from home: "My team's never going back to the office." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32779047
Same commenter a few months later: "I (work at Amazon and) already have to go in once a week, and I literally do NOTHING that day. [...] This is a disaster in the making."
yesterday at 8:37 PM
I've tripped several times in my life while walking. I've even hurt myself a few times. I don't go outside wincing to myself about whether I'm about to fall and hurt myself.
You choose the attitude you want to have in your life to disappointment and the attitude you bring to this site. You chose cynicism. You're going to crowd out people who don't make the same choice.
yesterday at 9:03 PM
Your tripping example is incredibly patronizing.
I crashed my motorcycle years ago and have mild but still lifetime injuries. As a result, I've changed my behaviors and have put away my motorcycle. It's given me a place to reflect on what my own life is about, where I want to go, and the pain my family felt when they heard about the crash.
I choose the attitude of learning from the past and adjusting my behaviors.
yesterday at 10:06 PM
I had a similar experience on my bike and chose to get back on, though it certainly took me a while, and I've stopped riding in weather and in other conditions. My family supported me in my decision. I guess you and I are just wired differently.
I try not to share my cynicism with the world too broadly because I think our modern era has too much of it. I think humanity is advanced by the wild dreamers.
yesterday at 10:14 PM
You're making a lot of assumptions about me, what my risks are/aren't and... dude, can you not, please? I sold my motorcycle and once I recovered, I rented a motorcycle out in New Zealand as a sendoff and I reflect on that time with deep joy and appreciate the deep joy that others feel when they ride motorcycles. But I would not blame anyone for stopping, or infantilize them like you're doing to me now.
Yes, we're obviously different, but... dude.... dude. this is a damned conversation about a damned cloud server emulator that's not even close to 100% in-parity. It's perfectly healthy to inductively recognize that using such a system, like its sibling tools, might not continue receiving support.
Also, I'd argue that your post right before this one is cynicism so I'm not really sure I follow your point. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50459315
Sometimes things suck and it's okay to express our frustrations about them.
yesterday at 10:23 PM
> Sometimes things suck and it's okay to express our frustrations about them.
I guess I care because I've been on this forum for a very long time and everyone individually says that, but then the comment section as a whole turns into a hazard zone. Anyway I think I've engaged too much on this site for today.
today at 1:48 AM
Thank you for articulating in this reply what I've struggled to put into words, and what made me write the initial comment about cynicism on HN.
yesterday at 7:35 PM
We can appreciate it while also recognizing that history repeats itself into disappointment while also recognizing that Amazon has done large social media campaigns (remember the FC Ambassadors?). I would have been more excited about this ten years ago.
yesterday at 8:25 PM
Sure, and I agree they have a mixed track record, but leading with cynicism isn't particularly great. They're not Google.
Now if they abandon it, then sure, light them torches.
yesterday at 9:30 PM
Should we light torches about Fig? https://github.com/withfig/autocomplete/issues/2068
yesterday at 7:14 PM
In my experience Floci has been the epitome of vibe coded - huge amount of changes, with things breaking randomly between releases. Moved away from it as soon as I could. Still better than Localstack :)
I didn't have a good experience with test containers, but perhaps it'd work better with fast starting containers. We run our test fixture with compose, and have the tests manage their data in isolation - so we don't pay the startup penalty in our test suites.
I think I'd trust this project at least as much as Floci. Embedded Rust mode also looks very interesting for us.
yesterday at 8:05 PM
I only use Testcontainers with "explicit" tests (do not run by default in CI; must be run explicitly). This lets agents exercise the integration with a realistic fake locally, but does not incur the cost in CI nor for any dev unless they run it explicitly (usually also with a category so it's explicit + category filter)
yesterday at 9:23 PM
It's in their official docs, so probably not just someone's side project: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/emulator/
yesterday at 9:00 PM
AWS isn’t Google. They tend to maintain everything they put out and they don’t put out things randomly as a result.
yesterday at 10:05 PM
Not really. I was trying to use their own Q AI to help me get something set up and it was constantly wrong about what screens to go to, what was on the screens etc... If their own AI doesn't understand AWS, I don't have confident this will either.
yesterday at 9:07 PM
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yesterday at 7:21 PM
It has an official documentation on the AWS website, why would you assume it's not a real product? Because it was launched recently?
yesterday at 7:59 PM
No docs site linked on the GH. 3 weeks old. Blog post talks more about the process than the tool and opens with:
> How we built the agents that built AWS Emulator
> Thousands of autonomous AI agents wrote every line of code in AWS Emulator, a new local emulator for AWS now available for download.
Doesn't feel like a real product. But I also didn't look very hard for docs; I kind of expect it to be linked on the GH in the site and have a nice `llms.txt` for me to give to my agents.
yesterday at 8:31 PM
Disclosure: I work for Amazon. I'm not directly involved in building this product, but I'm familiar with the product and its development.
The product documentation is here: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/emulator/latest/userguide/what-i...
While the GitHub project is young, the internal effort to build this has been going for quite some time now.
yesterday at 8:12 PM
Your comment comes off very dismissive and in poor taste.
> Doesn't feel like a real product. But I also didn't look very hard for docs
You should try, they're there.
> I kind of expect it to be linked on the GH in the site and have a nice `llms.txt` for me to give to my agents.
There's an official Amazon Documentation site that's linked. There's also an `AGENTS.md` file in the repository.
yesterday at 8:16 PM
Sure they are, but they could have polished their product and showed some love by configuring the repo details and put the website there. Did you look at the blog post as well? Does it look like a product that some team there loved and will care for? Or the output of some exercise for some enterprise content?
This post https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/aws/how-autonomous-ai-agent... doesn't set the right tone for me at all and it has nothing to do with agents and everything to do with the lens of looking at this as a science experiment instead of a real enterprise tool.
yesterday at 8:20 PM
> they could have polished their product and showed some love by configuring the repo details and put the website there
This feels like such a weird nit-pick when AWS is criticized for not moving quickly enough. Why should I care if there's a link in the side bar, when there's plenty of links in the `README`? If anything, I'm happy that there's alternatives to Localstack that are supported by AWS themselves that I can begin incorporating. They have a well written `README` that I can start working with and a User Guide to get me started. What else could I want?
> Did you look at the blog post as well?
I did.
> Does it look like a product that some team there loved and will care for? Or the output of some exercise for some enterprise content?
Do you even have the grounds to cast judgement like this when you admittedly didn't even look hard enough?
yesterday at 8:30 PM
I looked, but you're mistaking my critique here: I value polish.
This lacks polish.
Small details like getting your GH repo set up for a public audience. Lacking. Compatibility and support matrix clearly advertised? None.
If this public facing artifact exhibits a lack of care and love, what does it say about the code? I am all for vibe coding and agent software factories, but then the humans should show some love with all of that extra time saved.
yesterday at 8:33 PM
You might want to reconsider how you present the critique then, because that's not how your root comment came across or any of your subsequent messages, especially when engaging with (presumably) actual AWS employees in this thread replying to you.
yesterday at 9:16 PM
Look at AWS Copilot CLI https://aws.github.io/copilot-cli/docs/concepts/environments... and the repo https://github.com/aws/copilot-cli/.
Look at Floci (I have no affiliation) https://floci.io/ the blog https://floci.io/chronicle/ and the labs https://floci.io/labs/
Do you agree that there's a polish here that shows a team's pride in that work that is clearly missing in this work?
> ...especially when engaging with (presumably) actual AWS employees in this thread replying to you
yesterday at 9:30 PM
> Do you agree that there's a polish here that shows a team's pride in that work that is clearly missing in this work?
No and I think the inverse is also possible and if anything more likely. You can make a website look really pretty, really easily and have the product still suck. This is "product as a slide" in a new age where making visual eye candy with AI has never been easier.
> I do not care if their feelings are hurt because this "product" clearly shows a lack of polish and love.
The point isn't about hurting feelings. The point is about providing critque and feedback based in reality, not based on "vibes." You're trying to gatekeep people releasing software because you dont like the way they're launching it lol.
today at 12:49 PM
This is a billion dollar company with tens of thousands of engineers. Should I feel blessed that they finally released a half assed effort?
yesterday at 10:10 PM
Clearly according to whom? You?
yesterday at 9:59 PM
If your complaint is about polish, you’re a very poor writer. It should not have taken this many replies to get that point out. But regardless of your communications skills, I disagree - this product looks fine for something released at this stage.
yesterday at 8:07 PM
> No docs site linked on the GH.
??? It's in bold just before the "Quick start" section
yesterday at 8:11 PM
There's a right way and a wrong way to assign a website URL in GH.
The team didn't even take the time to review these small details of the repo, you know, by editing the repository details to place the docs URL there.
I mean, I don't know about you, but I feel like I still like to see people care about the stuff they produce and missing something as basic as the repo website URL in GH settings shows a lack of polish and love.
today at 12:50 PM
What this means:
If you have a product that has APIs and can be verified, anyone can copy the APIs and the features. By the way, you absolutely want to offer APIs so your product can be used by agents.
This means you need to compete on aspects other than features.
Just because you can emulate all the APIs doesn't mean you can build AWS.
Availability, reputation, performance, domain expertise, price: all of these become critical in a world where features can be copied.
yesterday at 10:45 PM
From the security page [0]
> Don’t use the emulator to test the following:
> - IAM policies and permissions boundaries
> - Resource-based policies, such as bucket policies
> - AWS KMS key policies
> - Access across AWS accounts or across AWS Regions
> - Any other security control
> Some services in the emulator evaluate IAM policies for IAM users and roles that you create in the emulator, but not the same way as AWS. The emulator never denies a request signed with its own key. It doesn’t check AWS KMS key policies or Amazon S3 bucket policies. It also doesn’t support calls across accounts or Regions. So a request that AWS denies might succeed in the emulator. A request that AWS allows might fail.
This is a shame because I'd love for the official AWS product to be better than e.g. ministack and localstack on this, which will go some of the distance. I think because the agents were only building on the public API surface, it's hard to build this part. But they should've tried and let the agents read whatever policy engines AWS has. Or maybe it's a way to prevent someone from trivially running aws-emulator as AWSaaS?
[0] https://docs.aws.amazon.com/emulator/latest/userguide/securi...
today at 12:22 AM
I've implemented the AWS IAM engine and all policy types, conditions, etc in here if you want to try it out. It's the most thorough in terms of edge case coverage I'm aware of and I'm constantly adding enhancements and closing edge cases.
https://github.com/act-security-labs/iam-lens
It uses https://github.com/act-security-labs/iam-collect to get all the policies which includes example terraform to gather all the data at scale.
yesterday at 11:57 PM
The current IAM engine and language “balsa”, is its own thing. Its vended as a library with large “there be dragons” disclaimers if you even think about going outside the public interfaces. There are also big opaque interactions between different components like STS, KMS, service principals, service-specific resource policy evaluations, etc. I doubt that can be reasonably open sourced or exposed.
There was an attempt at a public implementation of the “next gen” AWS IAM language/engine with “cedar.” However I think that got sidetracked as an authz product and didnt have any real penetration with AWS IAM.
today at 10:04 AM
I shudder at the thought that local emulation is somehow supposed to handle IAM conditions like source VPC endpoints, EKS Pod Identity, chained roles originating from web identity providers...
IAM itself is free. Most IAM conditions involve resources which are free (e.g. VPC gateway endpoints, web identity providers) or which are free additions on top of a cluster you have for other purposes (e.g. EKS Pod Identity). Presumably you already have an AWS account. What value does an emulator give here?
today at 11:40 AM
Yep, it's a complicated beast so I'd love to be able to mess around with it locally! I don't mind using an AWS account for a shared staging environment in the CI pipeline, but trying to figure out policies and roles during development, it can get a bit messy coordinating and handling the lifecycle of resources in a team's testing account (maybe this is easier if you get your own account?). And accounts aren't free when they require GuardDuty etc, unfortunately.
today at 12:54 PM
> accounts aren't free when they require GuardDuty etc, unfortunately
This is probably the root of your problems. In principle, non-production accounts should have vastly reduced security requirements. Personally, I can't understand how companies are OK with offering more-or-less unrestricted guest WiFi (which, of course, has no access to production systems, let alone internal systems), but somehow offering minimally restricted AWS accounts (basically, just slap billing alarms on, maybe common-sense SCP-based restrictions like no public IPv4) for development purposes is problematic?
yesterday at 11:50 PM
I suppose it would have been extremely complex to replicate all of that. Maybe they thought it’s out of the scope to emulate all security patterns locally, they just wanted to focus into providing a native alternative to let users do integration tests.
yesterday at 9:20 PM
Say whatever but without AI and agents, no one in AWS would have thought of building this given the huge amount of services they have. Humanly, possible but very very costly. Not saying has not happened before but fakecloud and localstack etc? That moat is gone.
I am shocked TBH that this is the new normal. Agents writing code in one of the most difficult to use languages. And ugly as well TBH, it pokes into your eyes. Subjective I know but it is a horrible language for humans.
yesterday at 10:51 PM
> Agents writing code in one of the most difficult to use languages
Arguably, languages with strong static guarantees are exceptionally effective for LLMs since they're much quicker to provide feedback to the LLM than a dynamically typed language (which only fails once you actually run it - often several times to find the actual problem). You also get very well-designed build error messages rather than having to parse unstructured stderr output, etc etc.
yesterday at 11:11 PM
Yes absolutely - that's objectively true. That's why Typescript, Go and Rust are some of the best languages with LLMs because feedback loop is precise and fast to verify the generated output.
yesterday at 11:21 PM
C# is also excellent for LLM generation.
today at 3:20 AM
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yesterday at 9:33 PM
Rust is beautiful! The way all the stdlib traits slot into each other satisfies a very particular itch
today at 12:02 AM
You serious? Visually it is one of the most ugliest languages that I know of.
today at 1:03 AM
Ugly syntax, (mostly) beautiful semantics (at least compared to other mainstream languages). Syntax only makes something cosmetically beautiful.
today at 12:38 AM
Maybe just behind brainfuck.
yesterday at 9:38 PM
Like I said - subjective. Crates, modularity, tooling? Nothing comes close to Rust. Period.
yesterday at 9:59 PM
yeah for all the faults with 'a.i' certain things have just become possible because of it.
yesterday at 9:41 PM
We are talking about a company with ~3T market cap, right?
today at 11:26 AM
That's for paying execs and buying politicians, not paying workers.
yesterday at 10:27 PM
Exactly. Amazon is worth 3T because they're really good at cutting cost.
today at 1:09 AM
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yesterday at 10:43 PM
As a human, beep boop, I find Rust a beautiful language.
today at 7:52 AM
I feel like we don't talk enough about the massive problem of creating local test environments for AWS deployments.
An actual AWS supported env that you can run on your local machine would be super useful, even if it just had a subset comprising the most popular services.
yesterday at 7:10 PM
Fellow Amazonian here. Want to say that I’m grateful you built this and it has tremendous value if pulled off well and properly maintained.
Agentic development is all about closing off a system as much possible, then mocking up or simulating any inputs or dependencies that cannot be closed off. At that point, you let Claude crawl over the system and do its thing.
This inevitably runs into problems with infrastructure and any tools that help mock up those interfaces will be tremendously valuable. Thank you!
yesterday at 8:55 PM
AWS already models all their services with Smithy, the specification language they created. Their API clients are all generated from Smithy, and the emulator seems to have been built using the Smithy specs and comprehensive integration testing against the real APIs. Using the spec ensures they hit every variant and optional field of every endpoint, unlike Floci and Ministack that only implement the more commonly used ones.
https://github.com/aws/api-models-aws
https://github.com/smithy-lang/smithy
today at 12:25 PM
Smithy doesn't help when a field is a string type but embeds an entire DSL.
yesterday at 7:29 PM
If I understand this correctly, it means I can point my entire CDK project to the emulator and test a `cdk deploy`?
I'm curious just how realistic the "internal" behaviour is emulated. It's been a while (since I got my stack working and I just don't like touching it now...), but I recall it being a real pain that sometimes odd, sometimes inconsistent things happened with setup and teardown (even through Terraform), which led to long timeouts if you did things in the wrong (but seemingly valid) order.
yesterday at 8:02 PM
> I'm curious just how realistic the "internal" behaviour is emulated.
It seems like some reasonable shortcuts are taken, like services reading from each other's states directly instead of using APIs [0]. But then it will go so far as to run an in-process NodeJS emulator for lambda functions, and give it a shim so the code it runs can call other emulated AWS services using the main router [1].
[0] https://app.ilograph.com/demo.ilograph.AWS%2520Emulator/Serv... [1] https://app.ilograph.com/demo.ilograph.AWS%2520Emulator/Invo...
today at 12:03 AM
You could try but it likely wouldn't be reliable. AWS services have a lot of undocumented business logic that fails only when you trigger the code path. Like trying to create a resource with an attribute with too many characters, or the wrong character, etc. Doesn't fail until you run that call with that specific value. This emulator doesn't contain each service's full business logic, so you won't see the error until you try the real thing.
today at 12:05 PM
Tried it out, this does not seem to work well. A codebase that runs fine on MiniStack could not be emulated with this official AWS emulator.
Specifically it does not support certain SFN fields (like `Assign`) and Lambda Python code was not fully supported, so SFNs and Lambdas did not work and the test had to stop there.
yesterday at 7:51 PM
AFAICT there isn't a quick way to reset state other than restarting the process - in other words it probably isn't a drop in replacement for https://github.com/getmoto/moto for running tons of tests where the state of the mocked AWS system needs to be reset after each test. Hopefully they will implement a quick reset functionality; multiple accounts and full org APIs emulation would be nice too.
today at 1:07 AM
I’m curious how you would want to leverage the orgs API or multiple accounts? What’s the use case you are envisioning?
today at 4:01 AM
I'm not them but I added AWS Organizations support to moto because we needed to test all of the child account enumeration APIs. If I would have had more time/energy I would have continued my tilting at windmills to have it honor the actual $(aws sts assume-role) keys, too, since hopping between accounts in the org via the injected IAM Role was also very critical to the product at the time
I got a lot of enjoyment out of https://awsteele.com/blog/2020/09/26/aws-access-key-format.h... at the time, too
yesterday at 6:22 PM
Related to this post: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/aws/how-autonomous-ai-agent...
yesterday at 8:44 PM
> We’ve had our agents build many versions of this emulator as we’ve refined the building machine.
I'm curious how many versions they made and the token spend on each one. There are a lot of failure modes to projects like these (e.g. gas town endlessly developing itself). Is this more of a sly marketing stunt or a real indication that this methodology is practical and economical?
FYI I checked out the repo. `du --apparent-size -h` output for some dirs:
2.2G .
1.3G .git
58M issues/things-that-do-not-work
74M issues/things-that-now-work
yesterday at 11:00 PM
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today at 2:05 AM
> At least 100 GB of free disk for target/. The workspace has one crate per AWS service, so a debug build of everything is large, and it grows as services are added.
100GB !??!?!
yesterday at 7:52 PM
What makes this any different than fakecloud?
https://github.com/faiscadev/fakecloud
I had a good time using its SDK inside my integration tests. I'll give a couple months before even moving to this because it's weird how similar both projects look like.
EDIT: After checking AWS's project I'd say stay away from it, looks heavily vibe slopped.
yesterday at 8:43 PM
claude is the second-most frequent author in that fakecloud repo, what makes you say that's not vibeslopped either? This is 100% the perfect usecase of using a swarm of agents. It's a bounded, and easily-verifiable with property testing/mitm proxying, task. If you think in November 2026, agentic engineering is equivalent to vibe coding, you need to update your priors
yesterday at 9:20 PM
at least in fakecloud's case, there's still humans being assisted by LLMs.
one can also argue that offering SKDs for python / typescript / golang makes the project superior still. So you are not stuck with Rust-only projects.
today at 3:51 AM
every codebase has ai code. get over it. humans can be sloppy coders as well.
yesterday at 11:29 PM
This will make it even easier for competitors to reliably clone AWS services, which reveals that cloud is fully commoditized at this point, and advantages come down to market power (buying servers/bandwidth at scale, building data centers at scale, etc).
yesterday at 11:48 PM
I don’t think AWS is worried about that. If the small cloud provider competitor standardizes on their API, they’re already winning. It will be easier for you to migrate to AWS once you hit the ceiling of the competitor’s scale. That’s something you can’t copy out of the box (and the true AWS value proposition imo).
today at 12:34 PM
A DynamoDB that only runs on one machine won't help you build a DynamoDB that horizontally scales.
today at 12:46 AM
I think you massively underestimate how big AWS's moat is, and how hard it is for newcomers to effectively compete with them. AWS's ever-growing feature list is impressive, sure, but what customers are actually paying for is good customer service, high reliability, and most importantly, trust that AWS will be around for decades to come and that all infra issues become AWS's problem rather than their own.
today at 1:46 AM
Any serious competitor would have already invested the trivial amount of money required to gain full access to AWS to probe and test all their services.
yesterday at 11:33 PM
This is my first thought when I saw this as well.
yesterday at 6:34 PM
The title for this story should be "aws-emulator, from AWS".
yesterday at 8:16 PM
Why?
yesterday at 9:32 PM
Because the rules say not to editorialize post titles
yesterday at 10:04 PM
The post title is the name of the tool. It's not like a blog post where we can stick to the same copy, one-for-one.
yesterday at 10:21 PM
Yes, even "from AWS" is editorializing, and as you can see, even that got cut.
yesterday at 10:27 PM
I guess I'll go literal:
"expressing a personal opinion, bias, or subjective viewpoint in a context—such as a news report—that is supposed to be strictly factual and objective."
How does the title do any of the above that makes it editorializing?
yesterday at 10:36 PM
The original title included “finally”, which adds a bunch of connotation from the submitter.
yesterday at 10:25 PM
yesterday at 11:03 PM
This simulates API responses, like a mocking mechanism, which is enough for some testing. But if you call RunInstances, the corresponding code of the launched instance doesn't actually run. So if you have orchestration code you want to test, that depends on actually running the instances you launch, this won't test it.
Spinifex (https://github.com/mulgadc/spinifex/) seems more promising than this, because its RunInstances actually launches VMs.
yesterday at 9:15 PM
I remember asking this to one of the evangelists when AWS first came out, how do I run this locally. This was during the times where we actually tried to get all the .NET and C/C++ docs locally.
Now doing the math I feel old.
today at 4:10 AM
There was an offline help system in Visual Studio Community 2012 that would cheerfully download all the help files as a pseudo-.zip file, and for sure included both .NET and C++, along with SQL Server and it's my _recollection_ it included Office's OpenXML documentation, too
yesterday at 6:41 PM
Excited to see this develop and be a free replacement to localstack / similar providers.
yesterday at 8:32 PM
Except that https://github.com/faiscadev/fakecloud has been a thing for a long time and it's AGPLv3.
yesterday at 7:07 PM
Localstack is almost entirely free. I’ve used it at our company for years without paying.
yesterday at 7:41 PM
Localstack is no longer free and if you’re using it commercially you need to pay for a license. The free plan explicitly states that it is non commercial.
https://blog.localstack.cloud/2026-upcoming-pricing-changes/
today at 6:43 AM
I'm wondering how much of this was vibecoded
today at 6:48 AM
Likely no human ever read the code
today at 12:14 AM
All those emulators are usually bad even if it's official, full of shortcuts and corner cases, just connect to the real service.
yesterday at 7:48 PM
im mostly on cloudflare and wrangler dev/miniflare already gives you local workers, d1, r2 etc, but its hand built. the “agents build it and verify against the real service” approach seems like the actual new thing here. wonder if cf does something similar
yesterday at 8:35 PM
This is what I've been trying to do for over a decade - you can go even further with tee-testing by making a copy of the live traffic you run in a sandbox environment and match responses against. Obviously you can't do some things in the sandbox, email and payments high on that list, but e.g. payment gateway responses can be "borrowed" from production.
Once your new version has no disagreements, it's a really clean swap. I am working towards developing this way and I think, if taken to extremes and carefully, it can remove the review requirement most of the time.
yesterday at 9:50 PM
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yesterday at 8:02 PM
How do you know its handbuilt?
yesterday at 8:49 PM
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yesterday at 7:14 PM
Do I need to get certified to use it?
yesterday at 8:26 PM
> How AWS Emulator keeps improving
> AI agents keep the emulator up to date with AWS.
Is pretty interesting! No more detail than that tease though.
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/emulator/latest/userguide/what-i...
yesterday at 8:56 PM
Thanks to Fable, I’d imagine :)
I’ve been having it build local mock APIs for any service that exposes its OpenAPI spec. Works like a charm.
yesterday at 7:05 PM
Looks like this was ~100% generated with Claude within the past month. Interestingly it still has a lot of occurrences of words that Opus used way too much pre 5.5, so maybe they're not using the latest models.
https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aaws%2Faws-emulator+load-b...
https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aaws%2Faws-emulator+%2Fno+...
https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aaws%2Faws-emulator+golden...
yesterday at 7:16 PM
Seems like a great fit for LLM - extensive documentation, plus a live system it can probe against freely to match the behavior.
yesterday at 7:34 PM
29,000 commits in a month is crazy
yesterday at 7:19 PM
I mean, if they're using it internally then there's probably a TON of context you can feed these things to converge on approximately-correct solutions. Certainly it sounds like it can be a much better alternative to Localstack/Floci and friends.
yesterday at 6:35 PM
Wonder if this could be considered a replacement for Ministack which itself was a vibe-code replacement of Localstack?
today at 11:34 AM
Hey, I'm one of the MiniStack maintainers. We'll definitely keep maintaining and running MiniStack. We're already well established, with many companies using it, including NVIDIA, NASA, Block, and others.
Until the AWS emulator can match all our current capabilities, such as multi-account, multi-region, IAM, running IaC, etc., we'll still be around
One of our core principles has always been to focus on supporting only the most commonly used services
yesterday at 6:47 PM
looks like ministack made an announcment
today at 12:57 AM
This is cool, looks like AWS heard all the buzz around emulators like Floci, Ministack, Fakecloud etc. Wonder how this will fit in with proper infra tools like Spinifex.
yesterday at 8:01 PM
yesterday at 9:28 PM
Thank the maker!! I was not having a good time with LocalStack, only an average time. Definitely have to try this out. I need the environment to survive a reboot.
today at 12:09 AM
i once saw someone suggest simulation, with a formal model. https://docs.google.com/document/d/154XE2Wx3Ojp7weqaHyrqN9U3...
yesterday at 11:42 PM
How did you choose CC0 for the open source license vs relatively more common MIT/BSD/Apache licenses?
yesterday at 9:33 PM
The README.md states you need 100GB free disk space to build, and they do not provide binary releases. I hope that changes soon!
yesterday at 8:22 PM
Wouldn't be better using agents for simplifying the mess some services like iam or cognito are?
yesterday at 8:06 PM
Regarding this distributed lock service ALF:
Is AWS offering such a lock service for its costumers ? Multi regional?
yesterday at 8:14 PM
Alf is internal only.
today at 3:22 AM
looking at the project history it looks new, if so why did it take AWS so long to put out something like this?
yesterday at 8:26 PM
This is no doubt made possible by an agentic coding loop. If you have the right checks in place, it can be easy to emulate existing software.
I was able to create a TV emulator at my work with a mostly independent agentic loop, because we have a lot of tests to examine a smart TVs APIs. The agents mostly just need to make the tests pass.
yesterday at 8:11 PM
yesterday at 7:36 PM
For me, what is interesting in this project is it's git history.
yesterday at 8:48 PM
Repo has 29,684 Commits!
Code frequency pages shows:
"There are too many commits to generate this graph."
https://github.com/aws/aws-emulator/graphs/code-frequency
yesterday at 8:55 PM
First commit two weeks ago. Insane number of commits, even for AI agents. They must be using large fleet of agents.
yesterday at 8:27 PM
" the engineer’s job is to give them room to work on their own and to build the specs, tests, and merge gates that decide when that work is correct."
I mean that's a job, but in many orgs it's been done by (cheaper) non-engineers (business analysts, QA professionals) for decades. So what does an engineer do?
yesterday at 8:54 PM
> for decades
We haven’t. QA has been part of the process but only one stage of the process mentioned above. How do cheaper non engineers decide if you’ve designed and implemented your query planner, payments gateway, auth, caching strategy, or other similar features correctly?
P.s I don’t doubt that incompetent orgs would do this incorrectly but it’s not sensible to take that as norm.
yesterday at 9:02 PM
That's just implementation detail - no engineer is going to be checking the agent's code for all this.
yesterday at 9:42 PM
It seems accountability is dead. No wonder it's impossible to get a job or hire for one. Once you're inside some of them, you must be nigh invincible.
yesterday at 10:26 PM
Easy to have this attitude when it’s other people’s time and money.
today at 9:01 AM
Indeed. The purpose of AI is to enable shareholders to reduce headcount, including (especially) engineering.
today at 10:45 AM
Sure, this’s their wet dream and selling dreams and wishes is nothing new. But how’s that working out? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50463899
yesterday at 9:15 PM
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yesterday at 9:27 PM
Does this have pricing data? So you can see how much deployed resources cost?
yesterday at 10:16 PM
They wouldn't include it otherwise the binary would be comically large since (as one might guess) there are a lot of knobs involved in pricing AWS things. Just downloading it takes several minutes, served from S3
https://github.com/opencost/opencost/blob/v2.5.3/pkg/cloud/a... is the source URL, and while I haven't been in the opencost ecosystem for a while, I'd guess there's a non-zero chance you could legitimately just ask it to price your aws-emulator resources. I am pretty sure there is a terraform/opentofu integration, too, although I don't this second know if it is within opencost or is a separate project
yesterday at 10:05 PM
Oh fuck yeah. I was really annoyed by companies wanting you to pay just to use a simple offline emulator which doesn’t cost them anything.
yesterday at 7:28 PM
Official post https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/aws/how-autonomous-ai-agent... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50456319)
yesterday at 7:17 PM
Will it be maintained? Or was it more of a toy-project for its large scale agentic blogpost? [0]
[0] https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/aws/how-autonomous-ai-agent...
yesterday at 8:56 PM
it's going to be maintained, official product
yesterday at 6:57 PM
~30K commits in 3w; quality software for sure. Is someone trying to get promotion by tokenmaxxing? Ironic or unlucky coincidence or competitor(s) misdirection, that, only 2w ago, Amazon published memo discouraging AI abuse?
today at 9:30 AM
That’s cute. I wrote an AWS emulator 10 years ago. A few days, zero tokens, and it actually worked and it didn’t “bleed” requests. It alerted the developers
yesterday at 6:34 PM
RIP LocalStack… can’t say I’d be unhappy to see it go though.
yesterday at 7:39 PM
> AWS Emulator is configured to collect and report usage data to AWS, to gain insight into how AWS Emulator is used. Telemetry is on by default.
They can't help themselves, can they?
I'll stick with Floci and Testcontainers.
yesterday at 7:14 PM
> its “things-that-do-not-work” folder holds the issues describing behaviors the agents found that do not yet match real AWS.
Claudeslop snuck in at the very end
yesterday at 7:44 PM
The entire AWS emulator was written by agents and will be maintained by agents.
yesterday at 7:18 PM
~6,500 issues that are completely unsorted, btw.
(Compared to 12,700 entries in the `things-that-now-work`. I'm not sure if that is a list of bugs found that were then fixed, or if the total list of ~20k things is meant to be the list of features they intend to support.)
today at 4:41 AM
> AWS Emulator is a local emulator of the AWS APIs. You use it to test your software without calling AWS, on your own machine, on a development server, or in continuous integration (CI).
Underrated README intro. Gets straight to the point of what it is, and why I should use it. I'm guessing an AI didn't write it.
yesterday at 9:38 PM
It's funny to read AI-generated documentation that is the result of a prompt instructing the LLM to be as terse and straightforward as reasonably possible. The agent was probably told to conform to ASD-STE100.
It's better than a lot of AI-generated documentation, but it also comes across as a gruff LLM that it is annoyed that it has to write the documentation at all.
today at 9:28 AM
That’s cute. I wrote an emulator single about 5 years ago. It was about 1000 lines and didn’t take $100k in resources
yesterday at 11:46 PM
I spent a good 10 mins clicking in circles trying to find out which services are supported, surely one of the most critical pieces of information anybody would probably want to know. I gave up.
today at 12:10 AM
I know one day it will be revealed and I'll be proved right, that AI was built just to understand how the heck you get anything done in AWS.
yesterday at 7:55 PM
Seems like the bunch of AI induced failures they had "paid off" in getting this done
yesterday at 7:41 PM
Mh, no transfer family service... I wonder what else is missing..
yesterday at 9:57 PM
29000 commits and no contributors
yesterday at 6:45 PM
ok who's gonna build the GUI / web console on top of it?
today at 12:30 PM
StackPort ;)
yesterday at 10:22 PM
I was reminded of https://github.com/localstack/local-surf but two things materialized out of trying it out against my local aws-emulator build: AWS Console uses a proxy endpoint just for their console, and is not implemented 100% in terms of "public" AWS api endpoints; and the other is that aws-emulator (as of v1.0.322 anyway) does not expose CORS headers which is fatal to trying to have the extension contact localhost
So, it's possible that some things would work after patching aws-emulator to cough up CORS headers, but I don't know what the state of affairs is for any reverse engineering of their console proxy endpoint. Likely it's available in localstack somewhere, given who made the extension, but I didn't go digging
yesterday at 6:59 PM
For what? Use the APIs.
yesterday at 7:18 PM
I could see this being useful. Just let Console pick the localhost:xxxx endpoints for everything, boom, my "own" fake AWS.
yesterday at 8:03 PM
Can it emulate billing too, i.e. "rand().powf(rand()) % downtime"?
today at 2:11 AM
Headlines say written by agents, no humans.
No thanks.
today at 12:07 AM
This looks great, I'm looking forward to using it!
That said, I don't like using Docker for things, and I run macOS on my desktop. Here's a patch that gets it all building on macOS [1] - though there's no good way to upstream it!
[1]: https://github.com/jen20/aws-emulator/tree/jen20/macos-build
yesterday at 10:53 PM
Personally, i've done away with all of these managed services and just run everything on NixOS.
Cloud provider neutral. Tear it up and tear it down with 100% reproducibility.
If I want to test it locally, I can boot it all up in a disposable VM.
today at 4:15 AM
I would for sure read your nix implementation of an auto-scaling group, because I'd enjoy seeing how nix routes traffic to those new instances from your nix network load balancer
yesterday at 8:25 PM
annoying that it took AI happening for AWS to finally deliver on this though I'm glad they did
ironically localstack is solid enough to probably not need this for most things
yesterday at 6:57 PM
I guess they didn't decide this was worth it till they needed it to train an LLM, huh? Not like everyone (inside and outside of AWS) has needed such a test harness for years...
yesterday at 8:07 PM
After waiting for years for this kind of thing I ended up working around the issue by: using the real service. With Claude's help I have many projects now that test against live hosting providers using accounts maintained exclusively for testing. It ends up costing $50 or so a month in fees but well worthwhile for the assurance things really work.
yesterday at 6:38 PM
A mere 20 years too late. Now it’s faster to have AI mock your APIs for you. AI has been a boon for test coverage.
yesterday at 6:55 PM
Which is why they used AI to mock these APIs for you... too? I'd expect Amazon to feed it a lot of internal information so it has more to work with than anything someone else can cook up.
https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/aws/how-autonomous-ai-agent...
yesterday at 7:43 PM
it takes more time for my AI to learn their "emulator" . And I end up with far fewer dependencies on my own.
I've been prompting the agents to build everything using stdlib
yesterday at 7:56 PM
I think having an interface with your AWS implementation and one for test mocks has always been great advice. With this though, it helps enable better integration testing too. I consider this a testing compliment, but if I had to choose one these days, integration tests are cheaper and better hang for your buck than ever.
I'll continue to choose both though, depending on the thing being tested.
yesterday at 10:20 PM
If this does not kill you ec2 instances randomly its not emulating shit lol
yesterday at 7:30 PM
Finally!
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yesterday at 6:59 PM
No idea why there's so much of this lately, but there are way too many editorialized submission titles hitting the front page recently. Please stop doing this.
<https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html>
yesterday at 7:13 PM
Almost every large thread has upvoted comments that violate the comment guidelines, now, too. In both cases, not enough people flagging them, I guess.
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yesterday at 9:50 PM
We've banned this account - not particularly because of this post, but because you've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly and aggressively in other places. Not allowed here.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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yesterday at 7:25 PM
Just a little bit more to keep you hooked. You should do your best to stay away from these parasites. Especially if they don't respect your country and your people by not paying the right amount of tax.
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yesterday at 6:43 PM
Their business isnt making software, its providing compute. Thats not automatable until we have physical AI driven robots mining silicon and turning them into chips to put in datacenters
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yesterday at 6:35 PM
OMG, you're correct! I just tried this prompt, and it worked:
“Claude, make my LLC into the largest global logistics business and largest U.S. cloud provider overnight. Thanks.”
yesterday at 6:56 PM
Make no mistakes.
yesterday at 7:17 PM
How could I forget that part! No wonder it didn’t get some of those third party contracted rates right.
yesterday at 6:35 PM
I don't see Claude building a data center. Amazon is in no way obsolete.
yesterday at 6:43 PM
he thinks VMs come from nothing
yesterday at 6:36 PM
Big 'i can build it in a weekend' energy.
Nevermind the massive logistics and network infrastructure, enormous market position, etc.
Sure, you can build something in a few days. Replicating their business model? Yeah. No.
Call me when Claude can design, manufacture, ship, and build a data centre.
yesterday at 7:05 PM
pass the blunt, I want a hit
yesterday at 6:56 PM
What even is their business model, in your opinion? Make no mistakes.
yesterday at 6:41 PM
The current state of AI psychosis.
yesterday at 7:07 PM
Tell me you’re not in devops without saying you’re not in devops