today at 1:00 PM
Had a look at their website [1]. Initial thoughts: this is a bit ridiculous, I can just build that myself. And in fact, I have done already.
Thoughts after about 3 minutes of browsing: OK, this actually makes sense and I see why people would pay for this. The value proposition is definitely there
[1] https://www.getunleash.io/
today at 1:56 PM
Thanks, "I could build that" → "oh, that's what the other 90% is" is pretty much how Unleash started for us too. What does your homegrown version do? Always interested in where people draw the line between building and adopting.
today at 2:41 PM
Great comeback!
today at 2:52 PM
I pay for it for my team... it's expensive to be honest, but worth it IMHO. Building it would be a ok, supporting it a pain.
If you work on a small startup, not worth it... on a Big corp with a lot of bureaucracy? It's worth it I think.
We have tried self-hosting it, but it's always a pain to allocate people on infra to do it, so I gave up and started paying for it for my teams, and they love it.
today at 4:27 PM
From the infra side, it’s something I don’t think makes a lot of sense to self-host. Metrics are the other notable one here.
They have non-linear scaling complexity, so they work fine with bumping up resources until they don’t and now you’re looking at queueing metrics on Kafka or something equally complicated. They’re horrible to change out because a lot of the APIs aren’t compatible and literally everything uses them.
They’re also awful to maintain. Everything uses them so there’s never a window when it’s convenient to shut down the feature flag system for upgrades or to test backup restores. People are much more accepting of “the vendor will be down for 2 hours on Saturday” than “I’m taking the system down for 2 hours on Saturday”.
today at 1:22 PM
Hmm, after 5 minutes of browsing I still don't get it.
today at 1:53 PM
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today at 2:07 PM
It’s bad form to accuse people of being shills.
I haven’t used unleash but it’s pretty clear your characterization is wildly wrong. 30 seconds looking at docs shows it has features for gradual rollouts, A/B testing, experimentaion with analytics, authentication to control available features, and probably a lot more I missed in a quick skim.
today at 2:45 PM
Which doesn't really explain why all the comments of the OP/author are flagged and dead... competition at work?
today at 5:15 PM
Cool product!
This seem to be open source and self hostable (is it AGPL licensed?).
Can I, for personal use, fully self host every component? Or is it open core and e.g. multi tenancy isn't there etc.
today at 5:20 PM
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today at 12:27 PM
Yesterday I saw that LaunchDarkly is a $3B company. How crazy is that?!
today at 12:39 PM
A million monthly active users, even free ones, would cost you ~$10K/month on LaunchDarkly. A million sounds like a lot, but "active" can mean one visit, even anonymous users. ~$120K/year for feature flags is a ridiculous line item.
These SaaS companies are only valued this much because they charge based on MAUs, not request-based. I prefer PostHog's model. 100M requests/month is ~$2K [*].
[*] I'm not affiliated with PostHog.
today at 2:19 PM
On Unleash Cloud: 100M request per month on Unleash cloud would be $235 + 75$ per seat ($53 Million requests included).
today at 12:54 PM
Launch Darkly charges on volume across multiple dimensions, including MAU and server-side connections, plus log, trace and error counts. It's bonkers and anyone who can actually predict what it will cost (good luck) will run away as fast as they can.
There is no way a Feature Flag system is a multi Billion dollar company based on the tech, and if there IS a Saas-pocalypse it's coming for players like LD first.
today at 5:22 PM
This seems entirely too dismissive of what LaunchDarkly's service does.
today at 1:45 PM
What would you recommend as an alternative?
today at 2:54 PM
Put flags in your own DB(s)?
today at 3:48 PM
Ex-LD engineer here. This was a classic mistake we saw most of our customers make, before they had to switch to LD or its competitors when they scaled a little bit more. Using a db is fine but can put heavy load on the server depending on the number of flags. In addition, it doesn't give you various features such as tagetting by users, segments, etc. Nor does it give you things like progressive rollout or automated rollback (yes we were using that in house and had saved us at least a few times).
I'm not advocating for LD, I'm advocating for any feature management system.
today at 3:06 PM
What if your DB is down?
today at 5:28 PM
My website company 20 years ago was running Memcached keys for each of the feature flags so they only had to be loaded about once per session from the DB most of the time.
Scaling things like this is a mostly solved problem. Having your website load when the DB is down is not.
today at 3:44 PM
Wouldn't you be having bigger problems if the DB is down (especially if you have good defaults for the flags)?
today at 3:18 PM
Have a safe default fallback.
today at 2:49 PM
Unleash Cloud ?
today at 3:51 PM
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today at 2:01 PM
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today at 4:46 PM
today at 2:34 PM
Shoutout to ConfigCat, https://configcat.com/
Same features as all these big guys, EU hosted, and down-to-earth pricing. Even the free tier got me quite far.
I'm unaffiliated btw.
today at 5:16 PM
A file syncing app that could be an FTP server or USB stick is over double that ;)
today at 2:22 PM
today at 1:41 PM
Are most feature flag systems really just simple Boolean checks like this with no feedback loop? In 2009 Amazon’s equivalent supported multi-variate flags (run test with more than 2 options), a feedback loop for performance/attribution, and weighting. I don’t see any of that on the unleash home page, but also haven’t seen it in other feature config systems either.
today at 2:03 PM
What you are describing is usually part of analytics platforms (Mixpanel, etc.). A feature flag toggle only plays a small part in this (but it may also be used for a lot of other scenarios of how you may want to control feature flags).
Audience is decided by analytics tool -> Feature flag server maps audience to feature flag value -> Analytics tool tracks its events and includes feature flag value as attribute
today at 3:08 PM
So if you want to slowly roll out a feature flag, you need to get a different app involved that can do everything the feature flag tool can do and a whole lot more? What’s the point of the feature flag tool?
Analytics is a much broader set of tooling. It can (and should) report similar things.
today at 3:45 PM
The point of the feature flag tool is to control feature flags. They are not just for A/B testing and slow rollouts, and most products are not on the scale of Amazon, where you need to have a feedback loop for the rollout. Of course there is always going to be some overlap between tools, where many analytics platform allow you to do the rudimentary version of this.
The main point of a FF system is that you have a runtime-controllable mapping from user attributes to feature flags, where a set of logic rules can dictate who is exposed to what feature. With most analytics-tool based rollouts, you would be able to only directly set an attribute and you then hard-wire that attribute to the feature toggle in app code, which gives you a lot less flexibility and always requires a engineer in the hot path when it comes to doing rollouts.
today at 1:46 PM
usually some “data science” team takes the results and decides what to do. really heavy process for something that is usually quite simple.
today at 2:01 PM
We have automatically generated readouts that run hourly and daily, show metrics between control and variant across a ton of core business metrics, and we can even opt into measurement of some super esoteric stuff.
Granted we have a whole team supporting just that experimentation platform, but it's pretty cool. They even expose an MCP server for us to have agents do experiment analysis for us using.
today at 2:54 PM
Attributing an event to a flag is a heavy process? Oof.
today at 1:58 PM
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today at 2:48 PM
This domain needs some better ontology and taxonomy, there's so many overlapping and conflated terms whenever I hear about it. To name a few:
- Feature Flags used as Configs;
- Configs used as Feature Flags;
- Live Ops, Control Groups, Experiments, Analytics, and more bundled as "extras" to Feature Flags as if they were the right parent term;
I think classical systems/engineering see feature flags as boolean state in some data store, but these PaaS are pushing it as a new thing and struggling with marketing.
I wish they took the gaming companies lesson and started using the term "Live Ops"
today at 3:24 PM
This article does exactly that, you might find it an interesting read: https://martinfowler.com/articles/feature-toggles.html
today at 4:18 PM
Oh wow I didn't know about this one, thanks for sharing! Great read
today at 2:50 PM
To me there two type of feature flag. For tech and not for tech.
If you have good CI/CD practices, an ENV for the environment has what feature is simplest. No new dependencies, change code commit deploy.
Non-tech folks need something else that allows them to switch it on and then off. For a variety of reasons.
today at 3:41 PM
Ex-LaunchDarkly engineer here.
Feature management goes well beyond an env var. Sure an env var change is fine on it's own, but a change of the feature flag (essentially a release) requires a deployment.
Feature management separates these two. You can deploy without releasing. Because the code is there, but dormant behind an if that can change at runtime, you can actually target users, segments, or even do progressive rollout, and so much more. What this also means is you can test your changes in production without causing prod to go down. Best of all, a release doesn't mean a bad deployment.
It's not just about non-tech folks. It separates deploy and release in the SDLC, and that opens up a whole new world.
today at 3:03 PM
We had a weird constellation of these things at a previous job of mine. In addition to our env variables, we had a config table for more business-side stuff (ie percent of margin to include in bids and quotes for work on the platform) that our business team would upload new values to on our admin GUI with a CSV file, and eventually we jammed into that same table a config check that would enable features just for certain users by email. I was very happy when we eventually moved to Launchdarkly and tossed out the hacky stuff.
today at 3:38 PM
This seems a bit reductive. What if you want to do a progressive rollout of the feature? What if it has a problem, and you want to disable it without needing to redeploy across multiple regions? What if you want to A/B test it?
today at 2:52 PM
Cool! Feature flags are great when you need them. I’ve seen so many different implementations of flags over the years. Even made one myself couple years ago which uses a GitHub issue (and a list of checkboxes) as a persistent store for maintaining and toggling with flags. https://github.com/TimMikeladze/next-flag
today at 2:31 PM
OpenFeature (https://openfeature.dev/) is very similar and backed by CNCF.
today at 2:42 PM
You can hardly compare an API specification with an implementing product. So, no, even if Unleash does implement OpenFeature.
today at 2:26 PM
Literally all their examples can be replaced by some sort of:
if redis_client.get("staging.feature-flag"):
...
I guess their frontend for managing these is 'nice', but at the end of the day it's a static page that sets flags on redis.
today at 2:55 PM
The flags are often not static, though. Varies between environments, markets, user cohorts and whatever rules you can come up with.
today at 3:33 PM
So plenty of parameters that could be exposed in Redis as well. No?
today at 2:28 PM
What else do you need for feature flags?
today at 5:09 PM
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today at 1:08 PM
> Release, experiment, and kill anything AI ships
The only appealing marketing I've seen in the past three years
today at 2:07 PM
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today at 12:04 PM
Configuration as a Service companies must be a having a tough time these days...
I couldnt imagine a lot of teams are debating anymore whether to build their own or use an off the shelf product like this. The former being a straight forward task for an LLM. And the latter being a point of failure/attack for any one want to mess with the core foundations of a product.
today at 1:12 PM
Companies as well as people are still happy to pay for the second S in SaaS.
Building something, updating it, running it, testing etc. still requires resources and attention. One example for this would be taxis. You pay for the comfort of not having to drive the car, do maintenance, take into account road works, cleaning, etc. and not because you couldn't drive a car yourself. That time you can use instead to focus on your actual business.
today at 4:16 PM
I build a B2B SaaS. I ran the same PDF through my product and a general-purpose AI. Both had zero number errors, and the AI's design was good enough. So I don't expect people to pay for the output. I think what's left is what happens after: who opened it, inquiries, spec changes, and team collaboration.
today at 12:21 PM
At a certain scale (probably bimodal distribution) it makes sense to have a provider you can shrug it off to and point the finger to when things are missing features or the system goes down, etc etc. On the big-co end of that spectrum I think you are right and AI makes this stuff easy to launch internally.
The owner at my current gig has multiple times said "software is over" as it being a sort of gravy train of rent seeking. Products are gonna have to offer real / significant value to attract new customers. Maybe even to keep them, too...
today at 12:57 PM
>> and point the finger to when things are missing features or the system goes down
This sounds good in theory but - and I speak from experience with a FF system causing a system-wide outage - clients don't care why YOU had an outage, or that it's not immediately your fault, and they really shouldn't have to. The reality is more like you're paying for a dependecy that you can't mitigate.
today at 2:24 PM
Being able to point fingers is also a moot point from a theoretical perspective.
Given that every FF system comes with a bunch of different mechanisms that prevent your system from being catastrophically impacted in case the provider goes down, its still the fault of the integrating party if you experience an outage due to a FF provider.
today at 12:28 PM
You miss where the value of software is nowadays. Just the hosting of this thing is worse to pay for.
today at 1:13 PM
Analytics, documentation, configuration, etc saas companies must be having the same hard time.
today at 2:50 PM
Wow a server that can help you manage your booleans. That's so useful. Let me just add one more thing to my infrastructure so my list of booleans can be managed.
today at 5:21 PM
We are an unserious industry run by idiots and grifters. We deserve to be replaced by AI. AI isn't going to purchase a SaaS to store a fucking boolean.
My company has used 3 different feature flag services in 5 years, spent thousands of dollars, with multiple migrations and teams of engineers involved. All to basically implement `SELECT 1 FROM feature_flags WHERE team_id = ?`. Makes me want to blow my brains out.
today at 3:27 PM
managed in the sense that values keep getting thrown onto the pile and then people somehow manage to never think about or touch them ever again regardless of their temporary nature
today at 5:08 PM
This is the real problem in my experience. Creating flags is easy, removing them isn’t. We ended up building lifecycle tracking for it: each flag type has an expected lifetime, flags get marked potentially stale when they pass it, and you can see when a flag was last evaluated in each environment so you know it’s safe to delete. Someone still has to remove the code though :)
today at 3:55 PM
open-source = FIRE
today at 2:39 PM
“open source” but it’s the nonfree AGPL, and naturally RBAC and SSO are behind a paywall. I’m tired of fake open source projects that just want the street cred and free marketing.
today at 2:44 PM
AGPL is as free as it gets. Perhaps the word you're looking for is non-permissive?
today at 2:54 PM
Don’t believe the hype. AGPL violates free software freedoms 0 and 1. It was designed by people who think that receiving a free gift confers obligation to reciprocate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition
https://sneak.berlin/20250720/the-agpl-is-nonfree/
today at 4:30 PM
Huh? FSF wrote AGPL and the 4 freedoms.
AGPL does not require you to share your changes if you use it (like most people) internally. It does if you host it for others as a service. Pretty fair trade.
Freedom to use, modify and distribute, clearly enforced for the Internet age.
today at 5:03 PM
> AGPL does not require you to share your changes if you use it (like most people) internally.
The text of the AGP License does not support this claim.
today at 11:42 AM
Hi HN, I'm Ivar, creator of Unleash.
Unleash started in 2014 as an internal tool at my company at the time, because we wanted to ship to production continuously without big-bang releases. It's an Open-Source feature flag platform with SDKs for >25 languages.
A few design choices that might be interesting:
- Local evaluation: server-side SDKs fetch the flag config and evaluate in-process, so user data never leaves your app and a flag check is a memory lookup, not a network call.
- Shared Rust engine (Yggdrasil): the evaluation logic is written once in Rust and embedded in the SDKs, so behaviour is the same across languages.
- Unleash Edge: a Rust proxy/cache for frontend and edge clients at scale. (Commercial)
- OpenFeature: supported if you don't want to lock into our SDKs.
today at 2:25 PM
I can see using something mature if you are starting from scratch.
if you already are in a platform capture situation, eg. Azure App Configuration or AWS AppConfig where you already integrate with platform tools using the native auth primitives, what is the benefit one can expect from switching to unleash?
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