today at 10:58 PM
Whatever your feelings about ICE and this administration, there are probably some undercover folks in real danger at the moment. Probably doing some real work to stop some real abuses that youâd want them to stop. (Not saying all - but likely some / many to be in that program)
So - while I might agree that secretive domestic organizations like MI5 should not exist and sunlight is good for government, I feel for the families of the folks that might catch a bullet because of this.
today at 11:12 PM
At little too convenient happening days before the midterm elections. Is this the precursor to a declaration of emergency? Perhaps after an act violence that was enabled by the leak?
today at 10:08 PM
Can you search for agents near me?
today at 10:15 PM
Local agents want to meet you.
today at 10:50 PM
And they already know your location. They're 3 minutes away.
today at 11:00 PM
Yes! Here's a link to view agents in Chicago, for example: https://icepi.cx/search?city=Chicago&agencies=HSI&agencies=I...
today at 10:47 PM
today at 10:58 PM
So cool, terrorist Karen can now easily email/LinkedIn/whatever escalate to a skip-level manager if an officer is misbehaving.
today at 10:55 PM
At first I hoped that fears about ICE abuses were overblown, but then I saw video after video of masked, badge-free agents manhandling and throwing grandmas and elderly/weak people to the ground and generally acting like thugs, stalking immigration courts for people trying to comply, doing nazi salutes, etc. It quickly became clear that ICE is largely made up of KKK or proud boy thugs who see it as a chance to brutalize a vulnerable population that they despise.
Now that this data has been leaked, identities can be correlated with facial recognition, gait analysis, and other biometrics to conclusively identify the agents who committed crimes. Much of the video footage shows agents flagrantly breaking the law, abusing power, violating the rights of citizens and noncitizens alike.
Now that his leak has occurred, criminal ICE agents will be brought to justice for many of the crimes committed already, and the data will also inform the prosecution of crimes they will likely commit during the rest of Trump's term in office. Many of the crimes are violations of state law, so there is nothing the executive branch can do to stop the prosecutions.
today at 11:07 PM
Do you really believe in this?
You can see fate of Guantamo's officers and their chain of command. As far as I remember, nobody was really punished, several people were dismissed, but with full pension.
today at 10:31 PM
What an interesting times, a hack the âexposesâ people who are supposedly and should be publicly known to start with.
today at 10:56 PM
Right? Let's just keep this list as a list of people who should never hold office, or work in law enforcement ever again once Trump goes.
"Leaks" like this should just be a FoIA request. Anyone enforcing the law should have their face, and badge number, prominently shown at all times.
That's how we show that we aren't ashamed of our laws. Any time it takes a mask to do your job... you know you're doing something you ought not be doing.
today at 9:21 PM
In a note with the files, the hackers wrote, âThey have our information, so it's only fair that we have theirs.â
I mean, theyâre not wrongâŠ
today at 10:12 PM
what was the okta config error?
today at 10:46 PM
Just upvoting to emphasize that Okta, SSO and MDM services in general are an extremely major single point of failure. From the point of view of a non-expert in security, it would seem like segmenting the authentication services of companies should be a security requirement.
today at 9:15 PM
This should already be public information imo.
today at 11:01 PM
If this was in another country that is not predominantly inhabited by people of western/central European heritage, US mainstream media would've been calling these "undercover" agents the "secret police" or "stasi" or some other term heavily connotated with tyranny and oppression.
today at 9:42 PM
Yes, why do we have undercover domestic spies and enforcers? Is that something we want? Vote!
today at 9:53 PM
We did vote, we voted for this and got what we voted for.
today at 10:46 PM
It still blows my mind he won the popular vote.
This timeline is fucking _wild_.
today at 11:06 PM
The most popular candidate was "I didn't vote"
today at 9:56 PM
That's definitely why Trump is -27 net approval.
today at 10:05 PM
That's just buyers remorse. He told us how he intended to govern. His opponent told us how he intended to govern. The voters were not mislead.
(and his approval would be the same mid 40s it always was if gas prices were reasonable)
today at 10:16 PM
Heâs never achieved a majority vote in any election, FWIW. His claim of a mandate was just as brazen as all the other litany of lies - heâs a lame duck lame duck. The true shame is on the congressional republicans for letting him sully them so deeply and follow him in his self immolation of the entire government and America in the world. The rebuilding will be a major test of the successor, and itâll be fascinating to see if the Goldwater republicans can become the party of reason again rather than this reality TV idiocracy.
today at 11:01 PM
> The true shame is on the congressional republicans for letting him sully them so deeply and follow him in his self immolation of the entire government and America
This is the problem when your entire identity and principles boil down to "doing what the social superior tells you to".
today at 10:26 PM
This is not idiocracy. It's the prequel. In idiocracy, they understood that they were dumb and put the smart guy in charge.
today at 10:35 PM
for 20 minutes, and then they tried to kill him
today at 10:49 PM
After denying project 2025 and then carrying it out almost exactly? They were misled.b
today at 11:00 PM
What?
today at 11:01 PM
During the election Trump denied knowing anything about Project 2025 and he has enacted a lot of it. I dont know why voters trusted him on that but here we are.
today at 11:10 PM
Trump is globally famous for lying. It's possibly his most well known attribute? What's the argument here?
today at 11:12 PM
The argument is that what he promised and what we got are very different. Saying people voted for this isn't genuine IMO.
today at 10:52 PM
Americans aren't angry because Trump was wrong, they're angry because it's not working.
today at 10:09 PM
And won via a plurality after losing the popular vote in the last election. The least popular president in history canât win a majority of popular vote. Itâs not shocking heâs deeply unpopular, he never was popular. Heâs a won twice on a technicality of the republic created to ensure the rural states wouldnât be dominated by Virginia in the original establishment of the union.
Heâs a pariah everywhere on earth, most especially at home. The sad part is the democrats couldnât mount a successful campaign against someone so unfit to lead. Now thereâs nothing left to do but clean up the mess and undo the terrible harm he has caused and repair what can be once heâs finally out of our hair.
today at 10:47 PM
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today at 10:07 PM
Itâs not. Itâs because he took inflation to the Moon. If he hadnât had Hegseth at his side, and hadnât gone into Iran, heâd probably still be treading water.
today at 10:06 PM
today at 10:01 PM
today at 9:59 PM
Eligible voter turnout in 2024 was <50% for 18-24 year olds, and <65% for 25-44 year olds in the US.
today at 10:03 PM
Unless 100% of people vote it doesnt count as voting?
today at 11:05 PM
People who don't vote don't oppose the winner.
today at 10:15 PM
Any idea is worth entertaining, to avoid the realization the purity spiraling ideology is just as reviled by 90 % of the people as is racism.
today at 10:36 PM
I think my idea for this is that a candidate doesnât win the election unless they get more than 50% of all eligible votes, not 50% of the votes cast. If there is no clear winner the seat is vacant, but a new election is scheduled for two weeks later. Districts and states that donât care to vote simply donât get a say.
today at 10:35 PM
The New England Patriots lost the 2026 Superbowl, and that list of losers includes all the second and third stringers who didn't play.
today at 10:02 PM
today at 10:16 PM
Because people in safe demographics (non minority, no care about reproductive rights) love to broadcast 'both sides are the same'.
today at 10:34 PM
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today at 10:48 PM
It was more like Obama was so cool and had so much panache he won despite having an extremely incompetent team...and then both he and his team believed he won because of them and proceeded to self-sabotage the DNC from within.
To be clear, I'm not excusing him. I think he was very cool indeed but ultimately a weak president that lacked in leadership before and after his term
today at 10:56 PM
>NoidFonsense.
This is a dogwhistling incel username.
today at 10:54 PM
What do you think makes a person left-wing or left-leaning?
today at 10:46 PM
oh yeah? which attitudes do you take issue with?
today at 10:49 PM
Feels like you're trying to bait them instead of engaging in good faith.
today at 10:02 PM
Sucked in
today at 10:39 PM
At this rate soon it's going to be very suspicious if someone is not part of any leak ; )
today at 10:31 PM
oh dear
today at 9:20 PM
Not sure how I feel about this but I am sure about one thing
There should never ever be a masked police force in this country, it's disgusting
Think about all the things we've written off in the past two years and faded from the news
Like military helicopters landing on a city building and them blowing the doors off all the apartments dragging everyone from their apartments
And all bets are off for the next two years, looks like Dems will get the Senate but even then they can't stop the scorched-earth that is coming
today at 9:27 PM
Remember when these people had issues wearing masks (Covid). Now all of a sudden its not a problem.
today at 9:39 PM
It feels more like a reverse psyop, like âlook we are wearing masks now, isnât this what you wantedâ?
As long as the sides keep reducing common ground, the farther away from government for the people, by the people we go.
today at 11:04 PM
Tell me more about how "the sides" are reducing "common ground"?
today at 9:42 PM
Again, let's think of two children fighting over their shares of a cookie. Child A says he should get all of the cookie. Child B says that wouldn't be fair, the cookie should be split evenly, half and half.
The adult in the room decides to promote common ground, and gives 75% of the cookie to A and 25% to B.
today at 10:15 PM
who exactly is the adult in the room supposed to be in this analogy? There _is_ no adult in the room, just the two children.
today at 10:37 PM
The adult in the room here is the moralizing "enlightened centrist" that puts bothsideism in every conversation about politics.
today at 9:32 PM
I am not so sure people started saying "this is fine"
more like he started 1000 other fires, several each week if not a new one each day to make far worse problems
It's not just the most corrupt administration, it's the most chaos and definitely by design
btw all investigations dropped for the execution of two citizens, I mean that's definitely not fine with anyone, just way too many other problems going on now at the same time
well there's no statute of limitations on murder at least, so 800 more days
today at 9:36 PM
> well there's no statute of limitations on murder at least, so 800 more days
This assumes The Other Side will do anything if they do get into power. My prediction: A milquetoast moderate leads the (D)'s and declares: "In the interest of unity and moving forward, we will not go after anyone in the previous administration. Let us all hold hands and get past this with minimal drama... They have pinkey promised they will never behave this way again when they get to power, and we believe them."
today at 10:49 PM
The Democratic base is way too angry for that to fly this time. If Jeffries tries it he'll be removed as speaker.
today at 10:54 PM
Part of the problem is that the justice system is as slow as molasses. They tried to hold him accountable for things he did in his first term and four years wasnât long enough.
today at 11:05 PM
Eh, owning the supreme court helps a lot. It moves pretty quickly when it needs to protect trump.
today at 9:50 PM
It's wrong when they feel like it infringes on them, it's okay when it empowers and emboldens them to cause harm to others without repercussions.
today at 10:41 PM
There's going to be massive trials over the next few years. So many people are going to have accountability catch back up to them. Maybe not the ultra rich but all these ICE goons shooting people on the street will be held accountable.
today at 11:04 PM
I Want to Believe
today at 10:07 PM
Anytime I see one I canât shake off the feeling I got when I first saw Watchmen. I thought âthis is so dystopian and bizarre; so out thereâ. Didnât have this in my bingo card for the decade.
today at 9:31 PM
The Senate can hold people in contempt with a 50% vote. So they could do something to reign in the fascists starting January, but I'm not holding my breath. And that's still a long road.
today at 9:40 PM
today at 9:40 PM
Senate has no mechanism to prosecute contempt charges
That goes to the DOJ, which of course means nothing happens, at least for next 800 days
today at 10:05 PM
It's my understanding they can detain under the inherent contempt power, it's been reported [0] that the House has a jail that can be readied if needed.
[0] https://rollcall.com/2019/05/08/just-where-is-this-secret-ho...
today at 9:45 PM
That opens a can of worms that you're never going to close.
Maybe this is such an emergency that it's worth the risk. But the risk is extremely high; if you do it to them, even with the best of reasons, they are going to do it back to you for any reason they can think of.
today at 11:07 PM
God I am tired of this argument.
What you're saying is that "we" shouldn't enforce the law because "they" will break the law in response.
Aside from being inherently morally bankrupt, they'rw already breaking the law.
today at 9:56 PM
Hence why it is important to be thorough.
Plus they will do it anyway. There is no shame or honor regulating their behavior.
Accountability is what was missed last time and is the only way forward.
today at 10:38 PM
Good! Both sides should be prosecuting each other over violating the constitution.
today at 11:08 PM
Hey remember when we had a 2 (plus?) Year trial over whether or not the president had sex with someone other than his wife? Something about family values or morality or whatever they said at the time?
today at 9:22 PM
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today at 9:53 PM
I doubt the Dems in office want to stop any of it
today at 10:01 PM
Many will say that they wouldnât need to protect their safety and privacy if they werent doing something wrong.
But in terms of if its ever appropriate for law enforcement to wear masks, isnt the question if its ever possible to threaten a law enforcement officers safety who isnt doing something wrong?
The FEDs wear masks in cartel operations all the time and that seems fine.
today at 11:07 PM
They donât have a right to privacy when theyâre at work. The Supreme Court has said it is legal to film officers, including their faces, while carrying out their duties.
today at 10:36 PM
I'm not really sure what your getting at. The entire reason that masked LEs are opposed is because (1) it makes it impossible to hold them to account and (2) it makes it trivial to impersonate any LE (ICE hasn't exactly tried all that hard to make special gear for themselves, just buying what's on EBay and similar, so literally anyone could just buy the same gear they're using and impersonate an ICE officer, and since ICE doesn't like identifying themselves, you would have no immediate way of distinguishing between a random citizen who wants to ruff you up or murder you versus a LEO)
today at 10:54 PM
Yup. This is not okay. It should be illegal. Maybe it is, IANAL. This person didn't know whether she was getting arrested or kidnapped or why. On top of which this is unnecessary brutality on the face of it. This needs to stop.
https://kotaku.com/umamusume-pretty-derby-cosplay-clara-tan-...
> As she hits the sidewalk, Tan hears what she describes as âa godawful crackâ come from her foot, and then realizes sheâs being cuffed behind her back. âIâm being kidnapped and I have no idea who these men are,â Tan writes. Sheâs dragged to an unmarked SUV, thrown in the back, and claims to have heard one of the men say, âThis could all have been avoided if youâd just come quietly.â
today at 10:36 PM
Boo hoo
today at 10:36 PM
Fuck âem.
today at 10:58 PM
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today at 9:05 PM
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today at 9:24 PM
Why would this be tragic? The public absolutely has a right to know who these people are. No one is forcing them to join these organizations.
today at 9:39 PM
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today at 9:43 PM
> antifa supporters on HN
Come again? If you have umbrage against antifa, surely youâre pro fascist?
> Most Americans remember how we couldn't even question COVID, DEI or kneeling for blacks and support law enforcement efforts
What do they even have anything to do with each other, except for them being right-wing talking points?
today at 9:49 PM
today at 10:28 PM
> Come again? If you have umbrage against antifa, surely youâre pro fascist?
Just because they call themselves "antifa" doesn't mean its accurate. If the nazis referred to themselves as the "free puppies for everyone and world peace organization", it would not change anything about the morality of their party or the acts committed by them, despite the name.
today at 9:12 PM
> obtained from a group calling itself the Department of Peace.
today at 9:24 PM
The data is said to have been âvetted and cleaned upâ and the front end is designed to navigate the hierarchy.
The leak was via a compromised Okta SSO login (why anyone still uses them is a complete mystery to me).
today at 9:19 PM
This is a dupe. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50280691
The Techdirt article also links to the searchable front end to the dump.
today at 9:44 PM
Not really
today at 9:49 PM
Yes really.
today at 10:13 PM
Per dang in many previous comments, it's not a dupe. Multiple submissions of the same topic are fine, it's only (maybe) a dupe when a discussion starts or it's actually the same submission. You linked to a submission with 0 comments submitted a whopping 15 minutes earlier. This one is the one that got traction, neither is a dupe. If someone submits it again, now that there is a discussion, or submits the same Wired article, then those would be dupes.
today at 10:18 PM
wired vs something I've personally never heard before article vs a few paragraphs + image
Not really.
today at 10:35 PM
today at 10:01 PM
Maybe really.