today at 7:38 AM
So much symbolism in this passage:
"The SS United States, once the fastest passenger liner in the world, is scheduled to be sunk in the Gulf of Mexico"
today at 8:15 AM
So much Symbolism everywhere these days.
Altman (Alternate Human) is ushering in AI. Amodei (Beloved of God, or Lover of God) is his opponent in this endeavour.
today at 8:39 AM
Good example of the meaningful distinction between opponent and competitor.
Also, the CEO of Mistral AI is called Mensch (Human).
today at 8:14 AM
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yesterday at 11:01 PM
"Oh, better that her shattered hulk
Should sink beneath the wave;
Her thunders shook the mighty deep,
And there should be her grave;
Nail to the mast her holy flag,
Set every threadbare sail,
And give her to the god of storms,
The lightning and the gale!"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Ironsides_(poem)
today at 7:50 AM
straight fire
yesterday at 10:52 PM
Was strangely difficult to find on Wikipedia what the "SS" actually means
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw_steamer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_prefix
today at 7:19 AM
If those are the most prominent things you find for that abbreviation, I have to start doubting Wikipedia. As a German seeing that abbreviation so freely used is always a little bit shocking.
today at 7:33 AM
The German one isn't relevant for post-war American ships. Hope that helps.
today at 7:32 AM
Wait until you learn about SS the government security service. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secret_Service
(Officially USSS, but it's often abbreviated to SS in common parlance.)
today at 7:33 AM
Or Social Security.
today at 7:35 AM
today at 7:40 AM
Thanks, TIL!
Apparently the RMS prefix on the RMS Titanic stands for "royal mail steamer" as it was authorised to carry the post.
yesterday at 10:59 PM
Here is a great video on the topic.
yesterday at 11:12 PM
the video claims it "Steam Ship" and not "Screw steamer". But later claims TSS is "triple screw steamship". So I'd be hesitant to trust the rest of the video's content.
yesterday at 11:43 PM
The first steam ships were paddle steamers, wiki even says SS can just be a generic term for steam ship.
It's not unusual for acronyms to have multiple meanings, the S in HMS can mean submarine, as submarines aren't ships.
today at 12:12 AM
There's still one sea-going paddle steamer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS_Waverley.
yesterday at 11:20 PM
Gilligan's Island lied to us all. The Minnow clearly wasn't a steamer...
yesterday at 11:00 PM
Incase anyone was unaware part of the consideration for where to sink it is access for divers -- the top will be around 55ft deep which will make it accessible for recreational divers
today at 2:12 AM
>The ship is expected to rest in approximately 55m (180ft) of water, with her upper decks reaching depths of around 17–18m (55–60ft), making the wreck suitable for recreational and technical divers alike.
It should be very good for both
today at 3:21 AM
Between 55 feet and 55 meters, how poetic.
today at 8:41 AM
Or about 33 wash machines or half of a (US) football field
today at 4:59 AM
yesterday at 10:02 PM
It's a sad day. I crossed the Atlantic in it long ago. Some great memories.
yesterday at 10:39 PM
Bittersweet, perhaps? I've never seen the ship in person but I've been following its story. It seems that Okaloosa County snatched it out of the jaws of the scrapyard just in the nick of time.
It won't be floating anymore, but it will at least be somewhat physically intact, at least relative to the state it was already in. It was pretty well stripped bare back in the 80s, and further gutted after that asbestos abatement project a while back. And it will be available for people who can SCUBA dive to visit.
today at 7:04 AM
you can also swim down to the top of it if you're good at holding your breath.
today at 12:18 AM
I’ve seen it at least once a week if not more for 10 or 15 years. It’s really startling that it’s missing from the waterfront. Super big bummer no one could make it work.
today at 12:58 AM
You must be in Philly. Every time I visit IKEA, I'd have a meal in the cafe and sit by the window to look at it.
yesterday at 11:35 PM
I sailed in a similar liner, originally the SS America, though renamed the SS Australis by the time my family took it in 1974 for the 5 week journey from UK via Cape Town to Australia.
The SS Australis passed through multiple owners until it ran aground while being towed near the Canary Islands and broke into two.
A sad end to a majestic ship.
One memory of the trip was the week in the Indian Ocean midway between Africa and Australia where the waves were so large the ship's dining rooms made the tablecloths wet to stop the plates sliding off as we tried to eat breakfast...
today at 5:33 AM
I believe the America was essentially a testbed for the United States. They were both amazing ships designed by William Francis Gibbs and the United States was specifically designed with conversion to a troopship in mind, if necessary. Its propulsion system was classified as a state secret for a time and there are pictures of models shown to the public early on where everything below the waterline was covered up.
today at 2:09 AM
At one point there was a storm. I was very impressed with the size of the waves and the ship would just muscle through it.
Some years ago I was on a cruise ship. The captain announced that they were changing course to avoid a storm. I was disappointed :-/
today at 2:33 AM
That’s more for comfort than anything I would think, a modern cruise ship can easily take pretty insane storms? They have active stabilization systems and huge amounts of mass while still powered by relatively strong engines?
today at 2:37 AM
Right. The S.S. United States was built for winter North Atlantic conditions, with a power plant, hull, and watertight compartments more like a warship than a cruise ship. She could be converted to a troop carrier if necessary, something that had been done to big liners during WWII. Cruising speed 30MPH, top speed 44MPH. Great for getting across the Atlantic in 3 1/2 days. Not so great on fuel economy.
Cruise ships today look like hotels mounted on barges [1]. About half the speed. A refurbished SS United States was never going to compete in that market, and plans to do so were never funded.
[1] https://www.royalcaribbean.com/cruise-ships/icon-of-the-seas
yesterday at 10:42 PM
Lasted three quarters of a century, not bad!
today at 2:43 AM
United States was withdrawn from service in a surprise announcement in 1969. All planned cruises were canceled, and the ship changed owners repeatedly for the next several decades. Every owner attempted to make the ship profitable, but she was aging and poorly maintained. In 1984, her interior furnishings were sold at auction, and the rest of her interiors were stripped to the bulkheads in 1994. In 1996, she was towed to Philadelphia, where she remained until February 2025.
(not sure it should have been much of a surprise, jetliners were taking all the high paying traffic)
today at 2:39 AM
The fastest transatlantic crossing by a passenger liner was set by the SS United States in July 1952, averaging 35.51 knots (65.76 kmh) earning her the Blue Riband
yesterday at 10:33 PM
If this is interesting to you, there's still one ocean liner left: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Mary_2
Buy a ticket while you can.
today at 7:35 AM
Definitely can't afford that, this is going to be one of those life regrets I think that I won't be able to do.
today at 8:07 AM
It's actually not that expensive if you take an inside cabin, I remember seeing prices of about 900usd at some point, which isn't more than a plane ticket if you take into account the food/entertainment. Right now there's some crossing from the UK to New York starting at about 450 pounds, you have to call though.
yesterday at 10:58 PM
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yesterday at 10:52 PM
I wonder if Cunard/Carnival will ever build a replacement to her.
yesterday at 11:05 PM
No. Possibly Kishore Patil, who was born yesterday in Mumbai, will build a replacement for her on a whim when he is 70, using self-assembling nanobots, or possibly next century the Creative Cold War Re-Enactment Society will cosplay 20th-century steel-mill workers and welders long enough to build a replacement for her in a period-correct fashion, but nothing really resembling Cunard will exist in a future where building a replacement for her is possible.
today at 12:58 AM
Not to toss cold water in the face of your maudlin science-fictional musings (kidding I’m totally doing that), QM2 is the 51st largest passenger ship afloat.
They call them “cruise ships” now, because the only reason to float around like that is fun, not business. So they have waterslides and such. Slightly less old-growth hardwood paneling, fewer places where one is allowed to smoke cigars.
But no. There are ten Greeks who could build another Queen Mary as a lark, and that’s just counting Greeks. However rich you think the world is? It’s richer than that.
Zeppelins, though. Those, I will grant you, have gotten scarce. Oh, the humanity.
today at 4:40 AM
Cruise ships and ocean liners are two different kinds of ship. An ocean liner has higher freeboard, higher service speed, longer bow, greater draft, and other features that make it more suitable for crossing oceans.
today at 3:04 AM
Forget the Greeks, have a look at Clive Palmer. Not just dreaming about building a replica Titanic, but also wanted to revive zeppelins commercially.
today at 1:17 AM
Maybe you're right.
today at 2:15 AM
> Zeppelins, though. Those, I will grant you, have gotten scarce.
Just saw a Zeppelin cruising over Woodside today. It's Sergey Brin's personal project, Pathfinder. It's a true Zeppelin, a rigid airship, not a blimp, and the world's largest air vehicle. [1] First flew in 2025, but, unlike the Airship Ventures craft we used to see giving tours over Silicon Valley, it's not flown often. It's normally parked in Hangar One at Moffet Field.
[1] https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/big-helium-airship-spott...
today at 2:52 AM
Thank God for billionaires, but why can't he stop Google from creating dystopia instead?
today at 3:08 AM
Probably much, much easier to make a zeppelin
yesterday at 10:47 PM
I had a coworker whose not a fan of flying who has done a couple crossings now, really enjoys it! I think of the Queen Mary 2 a bunch because of them, their tales. A little world of fans who really enjoy doing the crossing.
yesterday at 11:50 PM
Are there plans to scrap it anytime soon? It's modern, built in the early 2000s, and seems in some ways more like a modern cruise ship than an ocean liner of the last century.
today at 12:04 AM
Not that I know of, but it's the only ocean liner left, so when it does get scrapped (perhaps unexpectedly), there won't be any ocean liners.
yesterday at 11:54 PM
This podcast entry has more about the ship's history https://www.omnibusproject.com/episodes/ss-united-states-ent...
yesterday at 10:26 PM
Only love from all the Philadelphians who have sat eating Swedish meatballs and looking at it in wonder. Will be dearly missed
today at 5:59 AM
At first I didn't notice 'SS' in the title and had quite the double-take
today at 6:34 AM
Interestingly, we honeymooned on the Celebrity Infinity, and its "theme" at the time (and possibly still?) was the SS United States. They had several pieces of art related to it, and more interestingly, the original china pattern for their plateware in the fancy restaurants.
today at 1:25 AM
Most of the comments here mention divers, I would have expected thus to be focused on fishing. When I lived on the gulf coasts there were quite a few sunken ships marked as common fishing spots.
today at 12:37 AM
Th SS United States going into the Gulf of Mexico.
It would be funny if Mexico started calling it "el arrecife del imperio moribundo"
"The Reef of a Dying Empire"
today at 1:22 AM
>Gulf of Mexico
well, that depends on who's naming it these days...
today at 2:15 AM
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today at 6:55 AM
Wait what?
today at 3:31 AM
Is this post about opiates?
yesterday at 10:24 PM
Would a metall ship, that is artificially erroded a a solar driven scarficial annode, count as geo-engineering, when the resulting algea bloom fell out over a dead spot of the ocean?
today at 3:57 AM
Why are we sinking huge amounts of already processed resources... yes theres cost but, thats a lot of steel, copper, brass who knows what else. So crazy and ridiculous to me
today at 4:05 AM
https://youtu.be/hQVNtXIy3B4?si=SJWzQiYfpVQSPaL4
Extracting it seems to be pretty nasty business
today at 6:54 AM
Probably interesting, but unwatchable with ads every two sentences.
today at 7:11 AM
Complaining about ads is generally discouraged here because it doesn't add anything. Buy YouTube Premium if you don't want to see ads, it's pretty simple.
This is a very high quality documentary and it's not like running YouTube is free either so exactly what are you expecting?
today at 7:27 AM
I'm surprised there's HN folk without ad blockers, what gives?
today at 1:55 AM
A bittersweet end. The SS United States was a magnificent-looking ship.
yesterday at 10:09 PM
Hasn't this been the plan for years now?
yesterday at 10:15 PM
Only since 2024, and the date is now approaching so that gives it renewed interest in the news media.
today at 1:38 AM
I'm sure a Youtuber could have saved it :)
yesterday at 11:39 PM
Beautiful ship, that’s going to be awesome to dive on.
today at 1:22 AM
Headed for Davey Jones' Locker.
today at 4:32 AM
I wish they could have left her funnels on to sink with the rest of the ship. I suspect if they did the tops would be too shallow and a hazard to navigation. Or maybe they didn’t want them to rust and fall unexpectedly on some divers.
yesterday at 11:49 PM
Feels relevant:
> The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent. Even when weapons of war are not actually destroyed, their manufacture is still a convenient way of expending labour power without producing anything that can be consumed. A Floating Fortress, for example, has locked up in it the labour that would build several hundred cargo-ships. Ultimately it is scrapped as obsolete, never having brought any material benefit to anybody, and with further enormous labours another Floating Fortress is built.
From George Orwell's 1984.
today at 1:17 AM
Ain’t that symbolic.
yesterday at 11:00 PM
Well that's symbolic as heck. A component in a piece of ritual magic maybe. Somebody should feature it that way in a comic book.
yesterday at 10:35 PM
Ikea in south philly will never be the same :<
yesterday at 10:25 PM
Other than it changing hands a couple of times and it languishing for decades, both of which are pretty normal, the cleanup of the ship sounds largely successful. Almost like an example of how all cleanup projects should go.
today at 2:50 AM
We are running out of metaphors.
today at 2:49 AM
Over the past 9 years, my genealogical research has taken me to some interesting places. Among other discoveries, I found that I have 5 grandfathers. One of my "surprise" grandfathers brought his family over from Scotland on the USS Leviathan. Now, the interesting part about gigantic ocean liners is that they often have Wikipedia pages about them, and this was no exception: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Vaterland_(1913)
So it turned out that the Leviathan had belonged to Germany under a different name, until it was seized by the USA during WWI. It was very interesting to discover all these facts about a vessel that is an intrinsic part of my quite recent family history, that was completely unknown to me, being adopted, until the miracle of DNA and digging into available public records began to reveal it all.
today at 2:27 AM
Why was it using asbestos?
today at 2:28 AM
asbestos on military/science stuff is/was used longer after it left the home.
yesterday at 10:40 PM
Honestly read this as satirical after my brain inserted "intelligence" after reef. It certainly feels like that.
yesterday at 10:28 PM
I've had a lot of chick-fil-a sitting in my car looking at this thing.
today at 2:14 AM
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yesterday at 10:43 PM
i read "United States to be sunk as largest artificial reef" and thought, thats no news... /s
yesterday at 11:48 PM
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yesterday at 10:53 PM
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yesterday at 11:01 PM
They should sink the US as artificial reef.
today at 3:24 AM
Might not be great for the fish tbh.
today at 7:32 AM
Can you imagine what a beautiful world we would live in if only washington dc was nuked to death in august 1945
last Monday at 4:46 AM
> The SS United States, once the fastest passenger liner in the world, is scheduled to be sunk in the Gulf of Mexico in November, creating what will be the world’s largest artificial reef.
This sentence may anger someone into causing a controversy... hope this doesn't hit his favorite channels.
yesterday at 11:04 PM
It's a British magazine, they (like the rest of the world) don't really have a reason to care about his Executive Orders.
yesterday at 10:03 PM
Without judging, this is the first I've heard of deliberately sinking ships to create artificial reefs.
yesterday at 10:22 PM
This is somewhat common. Once cleaned up, they provide refuge for sea life, and increased economic activity for nearby communities via fishing and diving.
The program in the Florida Keys is huge.
https://gis.myfwc.com/boating_guides/florida_keys/pages/art_...
yesterday at 10:06 PM
Your mind may be blown by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redbird_Reef
yesterday at 10:12 PM
That is really cool, thanks
yesterday at 10:16 PM
Yeah, that was pretty interesting.
> From 2001 to 2008, within the vicinity of the reef, the amount of marine food per square foot has increased 400 times.
> The site has become so popular that fishermen steal from each other, and other states apply for the next subway cars to be dumped in their waters.
I guess the biggest problem in the ocean is the inability to stay in place. There was an interesting discussion of something similar on Twitter a couple years ago: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1760058156632142058.html
> Hyenas can strip a dead elephant clean in less than 48 hours.
> But in the ocean, whale carcasses drift around for months before they eventually sink.
> Land animals have gravity privilege. Any random stray dog can tear into a dead cow, even if the cow is a lot larger.
> But when bunch of sharks come up on the floating whale carcass, it's essentially a game of bobbing for pumpkins... it's not really possible to hold on to it or tear it open.
last Monday at 4:50 AM
Regardless of the location, there's editorial cartoon/headline grist in it, e.g.: "As Trump does $VERB this weekend, the United States will sink to its doom."
I would not be surprised if Ron DeSantis (Florida governor, Republican) somehow abuses his position to force a rename of the ship at the last moment, purely to avoid snarky headlines.
yesterday at 11:26 PM
It's being sunk 20 miles offshore, which is out of Florida control (that extends only nine miles there; which is kind of odd since for most US states the control only extends three miles).
today at 8:42 AM
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today at 3:02 AM
Seems we have angered his supporters given how the voting has changed on this since the day ago we made these comments. Their voting is not going to stop me from saying it like it is about the worst president in US history.
Kind of frustrating that our comment times get changed when a story is given a second chance (not sure why this story should qualify for a second chance on HN...) and misrepresent when we made these comments
yesterday at 11:27 PM
Too on the nose.
yesterday at 9:59 PM
Rename it USS Trump for the lulz.
yesterday at 11:01 PM
The SS United States was a beautiful ship from an era past that was the crown jewel of the USA merchant marine that in part represented the technology contests of civilian ships after WWII.
Trump is not deserving of its name.
From two years ago: What's Going on With Shipping? SS United States - Fastest Cruise Liner and Flagship of US Merchant Marine - To Be Sunk! https://youtu.be/XFIPAJEl1TE