today at 2:40 AM
It's nice that this article goes beyond the "context too long" scapegoat diagnostic.
There is more to it than just reducing content in context. LLMs attention mechanism works by finding graphs of related words and concepts and it works best when the relevant relationships are close together in the text. Length matters but how well the information is organized matters as well.
It's useful to be familiar with the concept of dependency length. The two sentences in this image ( https://benoitessiambre.com/img/dependencylength.png ) have the same words and same meaning but sentence C is organised to minimize the distance between related words.
This can also apply to paragraphs and sections. Ordering them so that related information is recursively closer together, helps AIs think better (also helps humans, Dependency Length Minimization, DLM is an idea from psycho-linguistics).
This is one reason progressive disclosure and sub agents are important. Including unnecessary information spreads apart surrounding information and makes it more difficult for AIs to figure things out.
For eg. optimizing skills, it can help to put more important information at the bottom of a skill. Usually after a skill is loaded, the AI will start “thinking”, talking to itself to try to reason through a problem. The thinking block will have an easier time considering the text closest to it, the last part of the skill, than information farther up.
Thinking blocks can produce a lot of text (a lot of it often hidden from users) that also spreads information apart. Sometimes, when an early instruction is still relevant but there’s been a lot of thinking and discussion added to the context since, it’s worth repeating a summary the early information ( keeping in mind that too many reminders can also spread other information apart ). I think however, LLMs are tuned to overweight very early information so that they don't disregard system prompts. You might be able to exploit this by placing some important facts near the very beginning of a conversation.
If you've ever written compression algorithms where repeated blocks are referenced instead of encoded, you'll be familiar with how related information being clustered allows for better compression. It's another example of the parallels between intelligence and compression and it hints at the information theoretic aspect of DLM.
today at 6:08 AM
Very enlightening comment, thank you!
today at 3:23 AM
I like the idea of VictorTaelin's UniiChat [1] which summarizes every message into a single line and on top of that a binary tree of lines combined from lower levels. The context is then a view of that tree with more detail in recent messages and less detail in historical messages, plus a `zoom` tool that enables the agent to navigate the tree and read messages.
An implementation of this idea based on the pi harness: https://github.com/jonaslsaa/pi-optchat
[1]: https://gist.github.com/VictorTaelin/91837951a5ce5b38f341ec1...
today at 1:38 AM
> As we focus more on memory, we also need to think about strategic forgetting. Over time, overly precise memories become conflicted and messy, and nobody has yet figured out how to handle this.
> I think that’s the context problem of tomorrow.
This passage is explains why humans have imperfect memory. Seems the perfect memory we wish LLMs had impedes creativity and is maladaptive.
Strategic forgetting helps put the non-deterministic machine to best use. LLMs don't need perfect memory; that's covered by the computer itself.
I like that this justifies the continuing relevance of context engineering - a seemingly dated term - in the face of trends like loop engineering.
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today at 3:08 AM
actually, I think agents have a lot to design after Zettelkasten yet. It's the concept of having an append-only policy and gardening to consolidate knowledge. IMO we've seen some, but there is still so much potential
today at 3:15 AM
I use a lightweight ticket system. Planning creates very detailed tickets with acceptance criteria. Implementation finishes with updating any info relevant to future work on the tickets as comments. The planner searches for previous related work both to avoid past pitfalls but also to get any potentially relevant info into its context. Works well with subagents ramping up quickly.
today at 4:54 AM
Cool. Do you find it useful for human review too, or is this mainly about the agents having the right abstractions to work with?
yesterday at 10:32 PM
> The tea task for FireRed was in its weights, so it poisoned its context.
Mmm, to my mind, isn't this mixing completely different things? I thought poisoned context is stuff in the context that makes the model behave poorly. But if it's in the weights, that's just... model issues.
today at 12:52 AM
> When building intelligent applications, harnesses, and workflows, our job is to choose when to be deterministic (what to put in code) and when to be probabilistic (when to let the model drive).
I really like this final sentence from the presentation. When I read this phrase, I realized that it captured one of the core dynamics that I've been using to figure out when and how to apply AI to a task. I often find myself trying to figure out if it is better to A) ask the AI to do a task for me or B) ask the AI to build something that can do the task for me. A major component of that answer comes down to how deterministic or probabilistic the task is.
today at 12:11 AM
> For me, around 200,000 or 300,000 is where I start looking. I’ll check, see it’s at 250,000, and think: I’ve got a big job coming up. I’m going to reset and start fresh
I don't find this to be true, at least with the newer models. I also find that the models fill up to 250k very quickly (presumably mostly by looking through the codebase). Without that context I find the models perform badly. I also don't really notice that large of a change until around 700-800k context and even then it isn't as bad as it used to be. I suspect, that (especially for coding), the long horizon RLVR tasks have helped with this quite a bit.
today at 12:30 AM
having an index of the code that the agent can use to find what its looking for instead of grep seems to work wonders
today at 5:48 AM
That crucially depends on what the index achieves. What do you aim for? Just lookup of symbols? Architectural information? Data flow systems?
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today at 1:02 AM
I like the overall idea of deliberate forgetting. And I found checkpointing into artifacts (code, design, intent) to start with fresh context to work well for that purpose.
Interestingly, the artifacts include not just code but alao retroactive design and retroactive “execution plan”. I feed them to another agent to validate the approach and resume work with fresh context and update mission statement.
Unexpectedly, design doc and an execution plan are now outcomes of coding process, not inputs to it. I’m not sure how to think about this.
yesterday at 11:06 PM
Anecdotally (sample size == 1), I have observed that as my context grows longer, the model seems to get dumber. I'm not an advanced user with harnesses, etc.; I just use the chat interface, as that's all I can afford, but after a few turns the model (I'm talking frontier models here from OAI and Ant) seems to just do stupider things.
yesterday at 11:43 PM
DeepSeek v4.1 flash seems to do this thing where it starts saying that we should wrap up the current work and start again "next session" (whatever that means), that the "context budget" is almost up, or some other wording I'm forgetting, as the context gets longer.
I've taken to just manually making it write a handoff file and clearing context completely. I'm pretty much manually compacting instead of my harness doing it. Feels weird, but it does work.
today at 2:18 AM
I think it’s trained into them so they emit a stop token with enough window left to generate a compaction summary
today at 5:00 AM
I would assume it's the harness sending the model a notification toward the end. At least Claude Code is designed to attach reminders with tool call output as a way for the harness itself to steer the model slightly.
today at 2:41 AM
Any idea what the ~rule is or how it's meant to work? I assume it'd work better if I can wire up my harness to handle it, but no idea. It didn't seem to know itself, from it's training. I didn't search too much yet though.
today at 2:21 AM
I can't cite the sources at the moment but this is already well known - a few papers on it and Anthropic say somewhere in their docs that you want to get across the minimum amount of context required to achieve your goal. Quality diminishes the more you dump in.
yesterday at 11:14 PM
Let's bump that sample size to 2. I've observed the same and that observation has heavily influenced the design of my coding agent harness.
yesterday at 11:20 PM
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I have auto-compact on at 400k
yesterday at 11:36 PM
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I try to manually manage as much of the context as possible. Most of the time, I limit myself to a context window of 200k, and it works great for my use cases.
yesterday at 11:37 PM
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today at 3:16 AM
It does, and, when combined with Claude's stingy cache TTL of 5 minutes (unless you up it to 1h at a sizeable increase in token cost) for API billing, means that some sessions cost like 10x what they should because of cold caches.
today at 4:37 AM
This is why I think the next evolution will be giving models full control of their own context, where they can edit it just like a file. This idea was in a recent paper, where models could even be specifically trained for context management [1]. For the problem of the prefix cache being invalidated, they thought of implementing a suffix cache
[1]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.37725
yesterday at 10:38 PM
So like- I considered this idea of using a fast decision model to prune before compaction, but I scrapped it because A; im not bottlenecked by speed, and B; cache invalidation dark magic
From my understanding, if we have turns [A, B, C, D, E] and we decide that turn C is useless context, then we lose our cache for the [D, E] segment. (plz correct me if im wrong, I havent tested this)
Personally, I pay no mind to session state nowadays. I exclusively use provider native hosted compaction, which if you believe the providers, is the way to go. For context management- I spend most of my effort on the things which dump output back to the model.
If anyone has any good reads on benchmarking OpenAI and Anthropic hosted/native compaction against custom stuff, I would love to read!
today at 6:54 AM
It's the "way to go" for them in particular because they hide their reasoning traces, and the compaction has to account for them to be effective, so they have to do it internally, one-size-fits-all. It's not a problem with open models which can have different algorithms for different purposes, and/or any competition.
yesterday at 10:57 PM
Yeah, I also think decision models for pruning context isn't worthwhile. You're paying to load it into context (of your decision model), in order to save on loading the same data into context (of your generation model). The only way the economics makes sense is if you need a much smarter model for the compaction, but can't pay for it to load all of that context (because it's uncached or something). That sounds like a niche but it really doesn't exist. Cheap models are good enough, and smart models are cheap enough.
Personally, I use a harness extension that auto-compacts my context just before the cache expires. Combined with the default compact-when-full, this ends up being pretty much always what I want. It's one less thing to think about.
yesterday at 11:07 PM
I use dynamic context compaction in open code plugin. Then modified it further to include eviction.
Since I run everything local, speed benefits from keeping context low ~128k. This gets me through a single agent on multiple tasks through the same repo. It seems to break around 6M but that's more probablistic.
KV cache is definitely valuable but context poisoning happens regardless of size and it's probability increases regardless of intelligence. So at some point you're going to suffer from context overload regardless.
yesterday at 11:44 PM
It's because the cache comes from the prefix. `f(f(f(A,B),C),D)` is quite different from `f(f(A,B),D)`.
yesterday at 11:54 PM
Yes, that's my understanding- though I realize that OpenAI has made changes to what you can do with caching over the API recently, so you may be able to do some fancy stuff to get around this.
today at 12:39 AM
Until a few months ago I did it this way, but OpenAI and Anthropic built their own harnesses, and since those end up conflicting with the harness I built myself, having no setup at all actually ended up performing better. As a result, it doesn't seem necessary to set up rules or memory separately, and if I do, using skills or agents made of only logging and flow (without things like rules or guardrails) seems like the best option going forward.
today at 8:28 AM
I think that makes sense for now in individual contributor cases, but the turnkey solutions have gaps when it comes to the most powerful capabilities and I don't see harnesses going away any time soon for that.
E.g. you can't use coworking/projects for shared memory in most domains because this hinges on compacting/refactoring true reusable facts and organisational knowledge (as opposed to code, schemas, technical references). The heuristics to find and decide on candidates for memory in this case are quite specific to the institution you work in. For example, the boundaries of the domain of "sales" versus "marketing" vary lots from place to place, as does the trustworthiness of certain staff, the way they they communicate or make decisions that contain the knowledge you want to store to memory, and so on.
I'm finding harnesses are still vastly better for grabbing this sort of complex institutional knowledge. Also, they're just a bit of a safety net for any frontier labs going bankrupt in the next couple of years, if we need an easy way to port over to open weights.
today at 2:38 AM
Forgetting is the part I see break first. Old facts in memory don't get deleted, they get contradicted, and the model happily picks whichever one is closer in the prompt. What's worked better for me is having this really cool way of jev compaction, there was a youtube video out there somewhere that spoke about how to get compaction to be super fast, cheap and have it retain the most useful information from the context compaction.
today at 12:58 AM
I can't tell if this engineering or just autocomplete that is mostly helpful, sometimes.
yesterday at 10:17 PM
>This is the advice I keep giving now. Someone says, “My coding agent’s doing something weird. Claude’s been nerfed.” And I ask, “How big is your context?”
That’s really true, but on the other hand, if there’s too little information, it also ends up working in strange ways. Most AGENT code anti-patterns work well at a medium amount of context, but when there’s too much or too little information, they don’t behave properly.
today at 4:33 AM
The cardinality of terms feels too high and too much semantic overlap between different terms.
I would like to counter with Theo Browne's "Your Prompts Kinda Suck" [1] I'm not a "fan" of Theo but his perspective here is useful.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-B3jIMMmUE
today at 3:17 AM
Anecdotally I only stuggle with this with Claude Code. Codex has been great at auto managing its context and, when combined with how I handle memory outside of the session, I haven't thought about context window size in ages when using Codex.
today at 1:11 AM
I thought the price reduction was because both companies implemented Deepseek's published research which demonstrate effective approaches to lowering the cost of inference while maintaining quality. Thanks to Deepseek, they did lower their costs and they passed that in to their customers.
today at 1:19 AM
interesting read, thanks for sharing
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