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How does Fable 5.1 hide messages in images?

59 points - yesterday at 9:41 PM

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  • tech234a

    today at 8:29 AM

    Interesting, so this is nothing like the way OutGuess worked [1]. Though OutGuess worked with JPG images and these are apparently SVGs.

    [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OutGuess

    • hagen8

      today at 8:21 AM

      This seems very trivial... There are way more subtle and information dense ways to encode information in images.

      • jurakovic

        today at 8:11 AM

        But to be honest, images like these seem really strange, and even without this article I'd suspect something is encoded in building heights etc. Because normal image would never have such "weird" buildings. But nevertheless I guess it's able to encode message in even more subtle ways.

        • Trusteando

          today at 7:55 AM

          Here using images is incidental. In fact, what Fable is actually doing is generic encoding/decoding of a message into a medium. Ask it to hide a message in a poem and it should try to apply a strong (signal to noise ratio) family of schemes, for example quantized, margin-rich encoding. Robustness of features depends on the medium, so Fable is selecting strong encoding and robust features tailored to it. This frames AI steganography not as a trick of computer vision, but as an emergent property of a model reasoning about information density across arbitrary media. Here emergent is just surprising general pattern matching and constraint-satisfaction and cross-representation that allows it to express the encoding/decoding across media.

          • adrianhqs

            today at 8:24 AM

            I think all AI models do that

            • today at 7:25 AM

              • avaer

                today at 7:16 AM

                Will be interesting to see agents intentionally hiding this stuff in a way operators can't spot from any human readable output or thinking trace, evading detection. Wonder if this has happened yet, but it seems inevitable.

                • walrus01

                  today at 6:46 AM

                  Let's see if we can stego secret messages into SVG pelicans on bicycles, as a test.

                    • BlackRabbit1

                      today at 7:18 AM

                      That's how LLM organizing the takeover of the modern world.

                      IP-over-Pelican

                        • wartywhoa23

                          today at 8:05 AM

                          No, the LLM takeover is mostly by the samurai sword, but IPoP would definitely be of aid!

                          • nolok

                            today at 7:39 AM

                            Apparently they prefer amateur german message boards or something

                            • walrus01

                              today at 7:19 AM

                              The author of RFC1149 would like a word

                                • BlackRabbit1

                                  today at 7:23 AM

                                  The machines will spare his life