today at 8:23 PM
Interesting that this is here. I used whistle (and bunch of other things) to take ownership of my echo show. It now doesn't dial to Amazon at all - it does all processing locally with its own CPU and connects to my homeassistant for home automation. My initial setup involved qwen asr (1.7b model) running on rtx 5080. Compared to that, whistle was really bad (out of 170 messages, qwen recognized correctly 168, whistle - 70), but I adjusted whistle to work like jev - instead of free form transcription it recognizes only select set of templates (I trained tiny network with 10,000 generated utterances to translate whistle final state to probabilities within templates). The precision went up to 164/170 - almost matching qwen. By the way - I'm speaking with heavy accent.
today at 9:57 PM
This feels like we're going back to the past again with CMU's Sphinx4 in Java. It worked way better than I would ever have expected it to for being more than a decade old. It relied on the user defining a grammar of valid words and different flows through a standard format (Java Speech API Grammar Format). I wonder if we'll approach that again for these models just like how MCPs act like WSDLs in spirit. Great results getting whistle working so well for you!
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> By the way - I'm speaking with heavy accent.
I chuckled at this because my inner voice had an accent as I was reading your comment, due to your writing style.
today at 9:47 PM
Excuse me, could you write slower? I couldn't understand you.
today at 9:15 PM
Sorry, curious non-native speaker here. Which accent? And which telling patterns made you think of it?
today at 9:26 PM
Not the person you're responding to, but as soon as I read stuff like "I trained tiny network" I tend to imagine Russian. It's the missing "a". Same thing happens in "I'm speaking with heavy accent".
today at 9:28 PM
Missing articles in English is the usual give away for someone with a slavic native language such as Russian.
today at 9:35 PM
Have you done a blog or YouTube about this ?
today at 9:39 PM
It is all custom made and not very reproducible. I'm working on reproducible setup and once it is done will publish it here: https://blog.kvit.app
today at 9:46 PM
If you are purposely limiting yourself to select templates, even fairly complicated templates, then classic voice recognition is perfectly sufficient.
With a restricted grammar, built in Windows voice recognition, all on device, has managed this exact use case quite well for over a decade. I used it to try and build a clone of the various paid apps that allow you to issue orders to Arma soldiers with voice commands
today at 5:30 PM
I don't think the challenge with speech to text was size of the binary. In my experience the challenge is understanding my 84 year old Croatian father with a sagging mouth after a stroke, when he's trying to write his autobiography.
I just setup Windows speech to text for him last week and it's great to see how he can write an entire page in 10 minutes, it would take him days using the keyboard.
But every single sound he makes with his mouth ends up on the page too.
today at 5:35 PM
Sorry about your father. He needs a dictation model, not a general purpose speech-to-text model. They ignore umms and ahhs, change things like “an elephant, no a monkey, went up the tree” to “a monkey went up the tree,” support saying punctuation aloud sometimes, etc.
Gemini team just released Gemini 3.5 Transcribe that’s supposed to be good at this; it’s available via api: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/ge...
today at 5:58 PM
For essentially infinite and fast dictation I use https://github.com/cjpais/Handy on Parakeet streaming (cohere is far better, but slower and has a token output limit so you cant ramble for many minutes). And then just do a cleanup pass with a cheap LLM, it will in my experience, do far better than trying to voice control to go edit a sentence or change words. I just weave instructions into my writing. I understand this requires technical know-how, but for those with it, this is the best solution I have found to long form writing without my hands.
today at 9:24 PM
I literally today pushed v0.1 of my dictation app that does both in a single package. You can connect either to a cheap LLM but I've set it up out of the box to use Qwen3.5 9b which does the job well for free, and everything stays local, no telemetry. You can also use Claude/OpenAI/Local providers. https://github.com/lnenad/lipwise
today at 10:06 PM
Difference with voice ink?
today at 9:45 PM
Neat, thanks!
today at 7:23 PM
Another plug for Handy, and wanted to share something cool about it.
You can set it "Push to talk" mode (like a walkie-talkie radio), and when you're done talking and release the button, it can paste the text into any text field.
You can even replicate ChatGPT voice conversation mode, by having Handy as your speech input, and then (I forgot the extension) enabling a speech-to-text model for OpenCode. Surprisingly relaxing flow for certain tasks, like tweaking a website's styles.
today at 10:07 PM
FluidVoice is working on that I believe w/Fluid-1 model https://github.com/altic-dev/FluidVoice
today at 9:26 PM
Love Handy. It has become a core piece of how I use computers.
In case it's helpful to anyone else using it, at first it felt a bit slow to me, because there was a noticeable pause after I finished a message before it would quickly type it all out. I changed the input method from direct to clipboard and it's way faster now, almost instantaneous.
today at 9:03 PM
Agreed, record and transcribe however you can and then use a LLM to clear out.
I prompt it to:
"Attached (or underneath) is the transcript of a self recording i've done with tons of rambling and some incorrect words transcriptions, please do a pass clearing out and arranging any typos or possible misunderstandings. Keep original in parenthesis when not sure if it's a misunderstanding. Do not summarize or alter the nature of the content, simply tidy the transcript."
today at 10:05 PM
Original in parentheses is very interesting.
today at 7:01 PM
+1 for handy and then using LLM's for the cleanup pass, though what are your observations on feeling as if sharing that output though?
Because I have seemingly mixed opinions on it, on one hand, I did put the effort but on the other, the output is AI generated so I am unsure about sharing it with others (because they might think its AI generated)
Do you use it for very small edits (removing just the uhhm's?) or for slightly more edits.
The way that I use it sometimes is that while thinking, I will write something which can sometimes make me feel as if a better re-write can better explain my thoughts or rephrasing it as such. For example. I will think about X topic, connect it to Y, then try to add some more points about X again.
I found LLM's to do a really decent job at generating the final outputs as such, but as I said, I am left sometimes feeling a little confused as to sharing it or not because of it being AI generated and the end user not knowing if I put an actual effort into creation of it or not.
Should I try to share the actual transcript of it as well, I really wish if some good ethics and internet ettiquette could be established about it.
today at 7:38 PM
what do you mean:
"what are your observations on feeling as if sharing that output though?"
and "Should I try to share the actual transcript of it as well, I really wish if some good ethics and internet ettiquette could be established about it."
could you rephrase the question
for STT, it's literally you saying it, with a model transcribing, and then another model correcting a little, and you also have control over editing it. I don't think any of the arguments on "etiquette re: sharing AI output" apply here.
today at 8:45 PM
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I've been using Gemini Desktop App purely for dictation. It's a miracle! For the first time in my life I'm blown away by the quality of my (heavy accent) speech recognition. Just be sure to disable the "speak to window -> reasoning" option to make it purely dictation and stop from writing whole emails for you.
today at 7:57 PM
> I don't think the challenge with speech to text was size of the binary
The usecase for small models like this is making on-device STT/TTS more accessable. This is important if your usecase is sensitive to either privacy or latency, but this comes at the cost of quality.
My experience has been that these small TTS models are unexpectedly good if your audio is in distribution (western accents, higher quality audio, common vocabulary), but pretty quickly degrade as you move outside of that. They often dont support more complex features such as diarization, multilingual, or realtime streaming either.
today at 5:53 PM
There are many different challenges, each requiring their own solution. I, for one, really miss the old Google Assistant on my Android phone. It would very reliably play most songs that I wanted to hear on Spotify. Gemini fails at this almost every time, and is significantly slower. It's actually a difficult problem, as the songs people want to hear are regularly being released, are often associated with uncommon names, or have words in unusual orders, so normal LLM style tools just don't cut it.
today at 9:10 PM
One of the most common things I did with google assistant was tell it to remind me to do something, and it would reliably create a reminder on my calendar. With Gemini, it is very unreliable. Sometimes it does a google search. Sometimes it just opens a Gemini chat where it parrots back a (sometimes garbled) paraphrase of my request. Etc.
It's also really terrible at recognizing names of my contacts, probably because those names are not represented in the training data.
today at 6:56 PM
This reminds me of how the thing iPhones had pre-Siri (so we're talking pre-2010), which was entirely offline, did a better job than even the most modern thing at "Play [one of the finite set of songs in my library]." I sometimes get absurd matches from bands I've never heard of, when the right answer is something right there in my library.
today at 10:01 PM
It's just useless for me now, the change happened some 5 or so years ago.
"Hey Siri, play [song]"
Leads to, take your pick:
- "You'll need to unlock your iPhone first."
- "I couldn't find [song] on Podcasts" (??????)
- "Playing [a totally different song]"
- "I couldn't find any music by [song, but it thinks it's a band]"
- "Playing music by [song, again it thinks it's a band]"
today at 7:46 PM
It's odd that the matching algorithm does not simply prioritize the music already in your library, but I see something similar in other domains where machine learning/information retrieval is used. E.g., in Apple Maps, I might have the map centered over my location and type in a restaurant nearby. Often, Apple Maps will find a restaurant with the same name on the other side of the country. This strikes me as an easy thing to fix (and Apple Maps has had this bug from the beginning), but if somebody knows something abou this, I'd love to know. Maybe it's harder than I imagine.
today at 7:46 PM
Settings -> Accessibility -> Side Button -> under "Press and Hold to Speak" choose "Classic Voice Control"
today at 9:56 PM
This is because, in the case of a restricted set of possibilities, voice recognition circa 2000 was actually very very good.
If you can do something with an extremely limited vocab, voice recognition was fine using off the shelf microchips in the 70s, where you wired in a microphone connection and had discrete pins for output actions.
LLMs are basically only useful for utterly free form transcription, but that doesn't actually help you turn that into tasks to perform and parameters for those tasks
The core "problem" in voice recognition is that freeform speech is an abysmal UX paradigm and provides zero discoverability, and LLMs IMO have not improved the situation of actually doing anything with the resulting text.
The other day I tried to prompt Gemini 3 times to tell me what the heck the business with a weird sign I saw was. The first prompt worked with a stale location context and therefore was way off, the second prompt had to reach out to google servers, and came back with recognizing the physical space I was discussing, but told me that I was talking about an event that takes place in the museum next door that I had told the model was next door to the business in question, the third try it still seemed to understand where I was referencing, but insisted I couldn't possibly be talking about anything there.
It took 1 second on google maps to find exactly what I was referring to, which was the business in Google's system located at the exact map location the model had found.
I'm sick and tired of people turning to LLM and "AI" tools to pretend they are better, when the problem is that these companies don't even use existing good solutions because they just don't care.
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I hope you will find a solid solution for your father.
I was researching STT for people with speech disorders two years ago and essentially everything was boiling down to three problems at the end of the day - data scarcity, irregularity of way of speaking and thus constant ambiguity in translation, and individual differences in speech patterns among patients.
today at 9:34 PM
This is a pretty cool one I saw recently: https://youtu.be/_j806JHhCRo?si=tr8ENJo_VlJF-b4y
today at 8:05 PM
Have you tried playing music from his childhood for 20 minutes a day before his writing sessions?
In some cases, this may improve function for a few hours. Best regards =3
today at 5:59 PM
i mean for something this small, it can be fit into a l3 cache on a cpu and be essentially always on various purposes
today at 5:54 PM
Unrelated: I love your username.
today at 6:18 PM
What the demo does not do is show streaming output of transcribed text as we are speaking and recording (before we hit stop). That is an essential feature IMO for most general purpose live STT apps.
today at 7:48 PM
What do streaming implementations do when a bigger context reveals a different interpretation/parse? When I use Whisper in the terminal, I can see it going back and correcting itself. Are corrections off the table for a true streaming transcription?
today at 7:05 PM
My mind is boggled by how many implementations miss this.
Handy has Nemotron Streaming and it works fabulously, FWIW. I’ve vibed a kind-of-working Deepgram API server into it but haven’t gotten around to finishing it. It’s something that should exist IMO!
today at 8:01 PM
Yeah! Streaming is crucial for any real time use.
today at 6:46 PM
This is the main reason I lean on Deepgram over local services.
today at 7:47 PM
You can absolutely do high quality, low latency, even multilingual local streaming nowadays. As the commenter above says, Nemotron 3.5 Streaming is awesome. We make heavy use of it in our transcription app.
today at 10:20 PM
Apple needs to incorporate this into iOS ASAP. This works much better than the speech recognition in iOS when you use technical terms. One of the most frustrating parts of iOS is speech-to-text in iMessage. For me no feature is more important in a phone.
Try this example: My website uses ASP.NET technology and I am using .NET 10.0. Works perfectly in Whistle, but not in iOS.
today at 6:53 PM
Tried it on a random TV episode and it seems to get stuck sometimes where it just outputs "Thank you." as a default - at one point emitting that for 60s of dialogue (and no, the episode does not have someone repeating "Thank you." for 60s.) Happens several times during the transcription.
today at 7:06 PM
It's funny how so many models tend to generate "Thank you. Don't forget to subscribe" or "Thanks for watching" if there is silence. Shows you what they've been trained on :-)
today at 9:55 PM
Reminds me of "foreign" and "[Applause]" frequently appearing on YT auto-subtitles.
today at 6:19 PM
How does this compare with Parakeet? I've been using that locally in my projects on an M-series macbook and it's been working great. It's fast and accurate enough for my use cases (meeting transcription, audio transcription for demo videos, etc.)
This definitely seems lighter and faster. How does accuracy compare?
today at 7:25 PM
People keep praising Parakeet, but I've found it to be worse than Whisper Large. Yes, it is much, much faster and smaller, but accuracy matters a lot if you are to use dictation regularly and seriously.
I ended up having AI optimize Whisper Large and create a plugin for TypeWhisper, and that's what I use (feeding the results through local Qwen 3.8 running under MTPLX).
today at 10:31 PM
When you are running the model locally and trying to do other tasks at the same time, Whisper Large feels too clunky on normal hardware.
I like Parakeet because it's good enough, relatively light, and fairly fast. I'm using this for things like meeting transcription and dictation. Since I'm sending most of the text to an LLM to clean up afterwards, it works well enough.
I'm hoping for something the size of Parakeet (or smaller) but better quality. It feels like with all of the advances in making smaller models better in the LLM space, someone should be able to come up with a lightweight and better quality speech to text model.
today at 7:46 PM
It’s really domain dependent I think. If you are doing anything conversational interfacing with less AI-familiar users, latency matters a lot.
If you’re feeding the results into a very smart LLM, it will figure out what you meant (but crucially ONLY if you warn it or tell it to do so, in some cases!). If you’re writing code directly or creating something for public consumption, you can’t tolerate mistakes. If you’re taking notes for yourself you just want it to work cheaply.
If you are ok with the complexity you can run both, and a Meta/Google open model with native audio, and let a smart LLM doctor it up. If performance really matters you can pay for a proprietary model or train one yourself. Until you get to that point, I think it probably doesn't matter much either way. Voice is just too easy to fiddle with
today at 6:44 PM
Parakeet is the gold standard. With models like moonshine and koroko (TTS model), it’s more about embedding the model in the application itself. If you’re using Parakeet, embedding it in the application is not feasible.
I use parakeet with superwhisper, and I’m making another app that has SST and TTS built in, and I want to use my downloaded parakeet model, but it seems there’s so many different implementations from ONNX to whisper, it’s not easy to use your downloaded models. So models like moonshine and this one allow you to just embed it into your application simply. It might not be as good as parakeet, but it gets you 80% of the way there.
today at 5:24 PM
Wow certainly in English this is incredibly accurate I tried to break it and it understood me perfectly!
I know it's slightly off topic but surely it must be easy by now to train a spell checker that doesn't annoy the crap out of everyone using it (looking at you here Apple)!
today at 8:59 PM
Let's say I want to build a hardware product now, voice-controlled, with voice feedback, so STT, LLM, and TTS. All local. What are the best libraries to do this now, say with 8GB of GPU memory available?
today at 5:33 PM
I initially read this as whistle to text, which would be way cooler.
today at 5:48 PM
A good project for training an llm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbo_Gomero
today at 5:59 PM
I've met folks that descend from the Zapotec in southern Mexico, and they still use whistling language to talk to each other across mountain valleys.
today at 6:48 PM
There are still people speaking a whisking language in the south-west of France[1], not many but it's being taught in school there to preserve it[2]
[1]: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langage_siffl%C3%A9_d%27Aas
[2]: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4lxhsi
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Just like Marvel's Yondu!
today at 7:50 PM
Might look into embedding Whistle into Whistle if it can make it 30x smaller (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blazingban...) - It's a shame there isn't as many languages supported though, I'm surprised at the amount of non-english downloads (I really shouldn't be, of course non-english speakers want dictation) of the app there is.
today at 8:22 PM
The Qwen STT model that's leading the open weight leaderboard right now is excellent. Parakeet v2 is blazing fast and accurate enough on English. I feel like STT gains from this point on will be marginal, especially given that you can do a quick LLM pass afterwards with a small model
today at 8:22 PM
ZWhispr seems to be the best for those who care about accuracy as it uses three SOTA models.
today at 9:02 PM
I find the whole category of "added value" STT apps funny at this point.
Built my own in a day that blows them out of the water. You can quite literally pick any sufficiently good local model or API provider and combine it with Cerebras for cheap and very fast AI post processing and formatting.
today at 8:56 PM
macOS only (like so many in this space)
today at 7:00 PM
For something you could plausibly ship inside a webapp, it’s very good. I can definitely think of some cool uses for this.
today at 6:21 PM
Hm. I saw language=detect and tried some Japanese - which (given the actual list of supported languages) unsurprisingly turned into some mangled Spanish.
Since it doesn't support Norwegian - I tried English - and it mis-transcribed "cleaning" for "training" - probably a failure due to context/training (Hello everyone, today we are going to do some cleaning).
So, reasonable, but limited?
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today at 5:40 PM
Those are insane benchmarks at this size. Well done!
today at 5:49 PM
Sooo I haven't really been super impressed with the needle models before, but this is very impressive. It transcribed multiple sentences I gave it with complex timing and words and in such a small footprint, I'm super impressed. Excited to see what types of things can be built with something like this, the performance seems very good.
today at 6:32 PM
Huh, this was really confusing. I already had an STT app called Whistle on my Android phone.
today at 7:34 PM
hey, Roman here from Cactus, thank you for the feature!
opening this thread for questions/feedback if you have any
today at 6:15 PM
This is actually a really great release. Congratulations team. I just tried few words. My Indian accent also was able to pick up.I'm gonna run it on my Linux Box.
today at 6:42 PM
This is quite good, especially given the size and the fact that it runs on the CPU.
today at 5:58 PM
RuntimeError: audio limit is 30 s
today at 6:06 PM
Did you record over 30 seconds?
today at 5:42 PM
love seeing more sub-20MB, CPU-first models. if anyone wants a CLI built on the same ethos (no GPU, no cloud), been using yapsnap streaming Zipformer ASR, plus diarization and timestamps all on CPU! It supports 10 languages. Unlimited transcription for free.
today at 7:20 PM
tested in polish and unless you speak very loud, clear and slow is not that good, parakeet definitely better.
today at 9:02 PM
Tried it a few times with English, Spanish and French and the quality/accuracy is pretty "meh". If the model doesn't really work, it doesn't matter if it fits in 1MB.
today at 5:29 PM
Initial tests make this feel just like iPhone's terrible text to speech. It is the one thing I utterly hate about iPhone. Ive tried apps that try to embed themselves into the iPhone keyboard and they always don't work out well. Hopefully this gets better and we can somehow get it into the iPhone more seamlessly.
today at 5:57 PM
Speech to text I assume? Maybe it has to do with your a accent or pronunciation? You could contribute a bit to Mozilla's Common voice, if that's the case. I assume it is part of every STT training corpus.
today at 6:44 PM
Yes sorry Speech to Text. I have a standard US East coast accent but sometimes I speak a little mumbly. When I made an effort to speak more slowly and with a cleared throat there was some improvement but still not writing all words.
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eager to see if working in android phones
today at 5:53 PM
FUTO keyboard (open-source, free) runs entirely on-device and has extremely good STT accurary, especially with the 70M parameter model. I've used it for years now and love it.
Edit: As others have pointed out, this is not actually open source. It's source-available, which is quite a bit different because folks can't fork and distribute it as easily. The license also appears to be revocable and non-transferable, which makes it different from open source licenses.
today at 6:10 PM
I'd classify it as "source-available" given the noncommercial clause in the license.
https://github.com/futo-org/android-keyboard/blob/master/LIC...
today at 6:53 PM
Good call out. I tend to be very sensitive about these things, and this is a case where I messed up. Thanks for the correction.
today at 6:11 PM
Futo only produces source-available proprietary software. They most certainly are not Open Source, though they unfortunately lied about this a lot before they got called out enough times.
https://github.com/futo-org/voice-input/blob/master/LICENSE....
today at 6:54 PM
Good call... I got that one wrong. Thanks for the pointer!
today at 6:11 PM
I've used FUDO keyboard for a long time, but I never tried using the voice input, so I'm testing it now. Let's see how well it transcribes everything.
...Okay that was pretty good.
today at 5:25 PM
Spanish is not good (seems to write non existing words and/or with terrible typos...) but English seem to work good even with my (Spanish) accent...
today at 5:26 PM
Spanish from where? Here (Castilian Spanish) it seemed to work fine.
today at 5:54 PM
Madrid. But it will only work properly if I'm clearly dictating with a very regular rhythm (ViaVoice dictation, if anyone remembers...). If I use a more natural/conversational rhythm (no slang, no abbreviations...) it easily confuses words.
today at 5:53 PM
Mexican and venezuelan aren't detected correctly
today at 7:55 PM
RIP Wispr Flow
today at 8:01 PM
For speech to text UX I currently use https://handy.computer/ as it's cross platform and open source. With that I am currently using Parakeet Unified EN 0.6B and finding it excellent. Often I use it to talk to AIs without giving them audio, which works very well. Honestly, I would never go back to typing now. Promised since ~Y2K, the tech is finally here. You really notice it when you wake up at 2AM and don't want to wake people ... it can get really annoying reverting to key-tapping. My long-gnawing fear of losing my hands to RSI is no longer a thing, and I can focus on losing them to another hobby: like sailing or machining! Just bought a band saw...
today at 7:31 PM
I built an STT plugin for DeepSeek Harness that uses this Whistle model as well as a larger one from Desert Ant Labs: https://github.com/try-works/dsh-stt
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it can't even tell when i say "my booty thick"
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i can't even tell when i say my booty thick
today at 6:03 PM
Can we have more languages?
today at 6:24 PM
yapsnap has 10 languages
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