today at 2:46 PM
https://archive.is/2026.09.26-101638/https://www.nytimes.com...
today at 3:48 PM
Thank you !!
today at 8:42 PM
While the research about Paulinella is very interesting, it has no relationship whatsoever with "the origins of life".
What this research is about is the origin of plants, which are indeed one of the most important forms of life, but the origin of plants is distant by billions of years from the origin of life and it is even distant by billions of years from the origin of phototrophy (frequently, but not really correctly, called "photosynthesis", i.e. the extraction of energy from solar light).
The ancestor of red algae and green algae (the terrestrial plants are descended from green algae) has been created by the hybridization through symbiosis between a unicellular eukaryote (i.e. nucleated cell) and a cyanobacterium, a.k.a. blue-green alga.
As explained in TFA, Paulinella is the second case of such a symbiosis between a nucleated cell and a cyanobacterium, which happened relatively recently, unlike the symbiosis from the origin of plants, which happened about a billion and a half years ago.
Because Paulinella and its internal symbionts have not been modified so profoundly by symbiosis like the red algae or green algae, it can provide information about how the early stages of the hybridization happened, eventually allowing a better understanding of how plants function.
today at 9:15 PM
the origins of plant life is related to the origins of life; even if by abstraction.
today at 5:50 PM
> "He noticed that the scales were overlapping one another in different directions — in one, they overlapped on top of each other in a clockwise pattern, and the other was in reverse. The fresh eyes of a person who hadn’t been staring at Paulinella for hours identified a curious, distinctive trait. Were they looking at two different species?"
I found it reassuring that sketching what you see down the microscope is still part of a scientific practice. Also the 'fresh eyes' could perhaps point the way to a more collegiate organisation of research.
today at 7:18 PM
> Dr. Van Etten didn’t expect much from the water she had scooped from a random dock next to the highway
There are stories of companies asking their employees to bring back soil and water samples from wherever the employees go on vacation.
The idea is that this is a somewhat random sampling of locations that the company wouldn't have thought of on their own. Plus, it's possible that one of the samples has some novel chemical or biological compound that could lead to a breakthrough discovery.
today at 8:08 PM
If labs want samples like that they should start a scheme, I’d be happy to mail in random stuff.
today at 8:30 PM
Same! Ready to send random samples from Sheffield
today at 10:23 PM
We'll likely have robots sampling all over the world's diverse biomes in some short years.
today at 7:28 PM
Reminds me of penicillin research, where random cantaloupe from Peoria yielded the best penicillin mold.
today at 4:55 PM
If you have a decent microscope and want to work on some citizen science that's directly related to the research in this article: https://www.vanettenlab.org/paulinella-consortium
today at 6:24 PM
What is a “decent microscope”?
today at 7:56 PM
Of course that's a whole discussion but perhaps in the $300 range. Sounds like that's what Dr. Van Etten herself was using when she first found one.
She actually made some specific recommendations on the microscopy sub-reddit but they're a bit pricier ($425+). (scroll to last comment by Jay211TF):
https://www.reddit.com/r/microscopy/comments/1dhagyr/entry_l...
today at 7:46 PM
+1 on this question, without any snark intended. What's a good, not too expensive beginner's microscope that's capable of this kind of citizen research (and other fun stuff)?
today at 7:06 PM
Reading this article with a bittersweet feeling. This is exactly the kind of work I wanted to do for the rest of my life while in Biology class at uni 15 years ago. But I dropped out and ended up in a completely different field (Design). But I still have that fondness of Biology in me all these years later.
today at 8:12 PM
Then buy a microscope and start looking for Paulinella!
https://www.vanettenlab.org/paulinella-consortium
today at 9:50 PM
Maybe I'm getting old but man, motel rooms run $80 now?
today at 10:24 PM
If you’re lucky
today at 6:18 PM
>"The first species of Paulinella was discovered on Dec. 24, 1894, in the sediments of a backwater of the Rhine River by the German biologist Robert Lauterborn. He named the genus after his stepmother, Pauline."
How can they say this without providing more background?
today at 5:17 PM
this revives my recurring desire to get a good USB microscope. Good, to me, in this context:
a few hundred bucks
able to look at microbes
also able to look at less micro level stuff, like maybe the thing i'm trying to solder or fix
is it wrong to solicit comments/recommendations here?
today at 6:16 PM
I'm in the process of building one myself. Take what I'm saying with a massive grain of salt, but I believe you basically need three things - objective, tube lens and a camera module.
If I were you, I would probably buy a normal microscope that supports a microscope camera attachment, instead of specifically looking for USB microscope. There is a lot of misleading marketing around USB microscopes, a lot of them are literally just doing digital zooming in (I have a 30€ "1000x" microscope from Amazon which is nice for soldering and such things, but these fake microscopes appear even at higher price ranges). Treat anything >1000x for light-based microscopes as a red flag.
today at 6:21 PM
Some random ones I've encountered (less for PCB work though):
- https://www.eurekamicroscope.com/
today at 5:46 PM
Perhaps better to ask here: https://www.reddit.com/r/microscopy/. They get that question a lot.
today at 6:37 PM
They mention this event has only happened handful of times.
This seems unsupported. More likely is it's happened a large number of times, but has only established a lineage a handful of times.
today at 7:51 PM
principle of sparcity. for mutations, we assume it only happened once considering how highly unlikely it is to happen. it is what helps us determine how species are related. if notable differences are detected, like in that case or for example in the case of wings (bird wings vs bat wings), we do an exception.
today at 8:13 PM
Once a scientist, always a scientist.
Great reporting - reading this NYT article gives me a little bit of the excitement that I normally only get from reading Quanta Magazine.
today at 3:35 PM
I wonder what the author thinks steampunk means
today at 3:48 PM
Right- that's really just a version of a worm pick. I use similar tools (including a mouth pipette... remember kids, in chemistry: don't pipette by mouth, in biology: oops I think I just inhaled something!) working with tardigrade. If it was steampunk there would be some sort of goggles, leather, gears, and a tincture of laudunum.
today at 3:31 PM
I have an idea on how life could originate in a motel room :D
today at 6:18 PM
I came here looking for this :) like someone has to be making this joke right. Or another direction of making the connection that there must be some life growing from the filth in a motel room
today at 7:10 PM
Thank you, I came here expecting the same.
today at 6:21 PM
today at 2:30 PM
Non-paywall: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/26/science/motel-science-dis...
today at 4:21 PM
Thank you! (Also, haven’t seen this kind of gift link that has the little login requirement, suppose they’re looking to strike a better balance.)
today at 2:40 PM
today at 4:28 PM
Thank you!
today at 4:29 PM
This was also interesting: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-01046-z
today at 7:05 PM
You have been blocked from The New York Times because we suspect that you're a robot.
wtf is happening to internet these days...
today at 7:13 PM
I've seen a big uptick in "prove you're a human" screens recently. Our ISP had issues the other day, and I suspect I was assigned a new IP (I've had previous ones for years). I've been attributing it to that. But, now I'm wondering if it's something else.
today at 7:13 PM
I guess their ad platform for LLMs didn’t pan out?
today at 3:50 PM
All they needed was a blue UV light
today at 2:46 PM
today at 5:17 PM
I don't know what I should've expected, but I am a bit disappointed that they in fact did not find these organisms in the motel room.
today at 3:11 PM
I thought they use built up gunk from years in the bathroom to discover new species, so they choose a cheap motel.
today at 5:35 PM
Quoting the article:
"The team — brought together, in part, by disruptions and despair over the Trump administration’s freezes to federal science funding — then made an exciting discovery."
Apparently this is the new way of life for Scientists under the Trump regime.
Sad.
today at 3:45 PM
Why did they work in a motel room? The article kinda implies it had something to do with Trump’s funding cuts, but unless I missed something the connection wasn’t made explicit.
today at 3:51 PM
I think it's mainly to be close to the sample collection area while also having a place to do microscopy in semi-privacy. Looking at their equipment, I think they bought everything out of pocket and pay for the hotel on their own.
today at 5:26 PM
> The team — brought together, in part, by disruptions and despair over the Trump administration’s freezes to federal science funding — [...]
today at 6:13 PM
I dunno about the states, but in most parts of the UK, it's considerably cheaper than 80 dollars a day to rent a small workspace.
today at 7:06 PM
Near the beach?
today at 2:53 PM
today at 8:36 PM
"Trump administration’s freezes to federal science"
Nytimes can't help itself. love it.
today at 8:09 PM
I just stayed in an $80 motel room myself and I also think I might have also discovered a new form of life in the showers.
today at 9:11 PM
today at 2:50 PM
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today at 2:51 PM
You think pond water is the worst thing an $80 motel room has seen?
today at 2:56 PM
> Jugs of brackish water lined the walls. Buckets overflowed with hunks of marsh grass.
I don’t know, that goes a little above and beyond IMO. One typically doesn’t do science in a house-type setting, for many of the same reasons you don’t carpet a bathroom.
today at 3:12 PM
Probably poetic license. You can look at the pictures and see everything looks very clean.
The jugs are sealed. We can't see any "overflowing" buckets. Looking at some water samples under a microscope is not really that messy.
today at 3:08 PM
> for many of the same reasons you don’t carpet a bathroom
For some reason this is a commonplace in the UK.
Yeah....
today at 3:24 PM
I had a colleague who walked the tiled floor in front of pissoirs in socks..
today at 4:01 PM
Ugh, I just realised my imagination is too good :)
today at 3:30 PM
> for many of the same reasons you don’t carpet a bathroom.
someone should inform the orange POTUS of this: https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/did-donald-trump-j...
today at 6:11 PM
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today at 4:40 PM
So $80 is considered a "cheap room"? How is a person supposed to earn $80 a day to pay for it and have something left?
Also, cells can have scales? Amazing.
today at 4:46 PM
It takes ~30 minutes to turn around a nightly hotel room, front desk check-in and other labor can easily make that >1h of labor per room per day.
Even in the budget industry, your nightly utility usage comes close to $10, consumables are $3+.
Hotel stays are typically taxed higher than typical sales tax.
Once you add that in, real estate taxes, and any corporate taxes - you're getting close to the $50 price point...
That's before you factor in the cost of maintaining the building, or the financing to buy the building itself (or any profit).
Are we supposed to live in a world where everyone's entitled to be able to stay in hotel rooms for 1 hour of minimum wage labor? Because, until we have far more automation, I don't see how that makes any possible sense.
today at 10:27 PM
There's very little labour cost in your price, not sure where automation would change the cost much.
today at 8:27 PM
today at 4:44 PM
$80/day is a cheap room in most of the US and Canada.
My standards for hotel rooms on road trips are quite low and I will call the crappy motels to avoid the bloated .com booking rates and it’s not very often I find even 1 star hotels under $80/day after taxes.
today at 6:39 PM
Per diems in the civil engineering union agreement in my Canadian province are 180$ a day to cover lodging and food when you're working away from home. Most people manage to spend less and save the leftover. That's tax free money unrelated to what you're actually getting paid for the work or transport time.
80$ might seem like a lot of money if you're making 60k a year as a biologist. If you're in a field where profit is the reason you work 80$ is peanuts.
today at 4:44 PM
Have you stayed at hotels? Most people that work don’t stay at hotels and pay the hotel out of pocket.
today at 5:05 PM
I am not from US and with that money I could rent a tiny apartment for 2-3 days. However, I prefer cheaper accomodation. $80 is super expensive if you have no other place to live.
today at 7:11 PM
I'm currently on a business trip staying a Hampton Inn in a low cost rural area of the USA. The nightly rate is $120. This is not a high end hotel- generally considered 2-star level out of 5. The nearby Comfort Inn is one step lower in quality of accommodation and guests, and gets $75. Anything cheaper than that is a filthy, crime-ridden bucket of blood.
today at 10:31 PM
I'm in Singapore at the moment and it's 200 USD a night for my current hotel, which is near the office - not down town - and not particularly expensive. There are some cheaper ones which aren't on our corporate booking system.
Last week in Beijing it only cost 150 USD at a fairly central Crown Plaza, which I felt was very cheap compared to how much it normally costs in London, and London is a bargain compared to anything I/work pays for in the US (which is mainly in DC and NY)
The flights dwarf the cost of the hotels though, indeed the flights cost more than the cost of me for the two week trip.
today at 6:20 PM
In most places, you don't pay the day rate for long stays.
today at 6:17 PM
From my reading of the article, my understanding is that they’re doing science in the hotel room, not living there long-term.
today at 5:07 PM
Motels are not a habitation of last resort by any means. They’re a convenient place to stay while traveling.
I expect the vast majority of motel patrons are additionally paying a rent/mortgage for their main habitation.
today at 6:49 PM
Where are you from? What would be a normal or comfortable rate for you?
today at 6:21 PM
Yeah salaries in the US are higher in nominal terms
today at 7:12 PM
You are supposed to be earning more than $80 a day. What do you do for a living that pays $10 an hour?