It seems Samuel Thibault is still there, sweet.

ps: some slides from earlier this year https://fosdem.org/2026/events/attachments/7FZXHF-updates_on...

full vid here https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/7FZXHF-updates_on_gnu...

Cool to finally see some small silly tech stuff here that isn't trying to make money.

• oytis

  today at 8:30 PM

  You are calling a Linux (sorry, GNU/Linux) killer small silly stuff?

  • maplant

    today at 8:32 PM

    I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as GNU/Linux, is in fact, just Linux.

    • inigyou

      today at 8:50 PM

      Yeah GNU hasn't really been involved for a long time. It's Mozilla/Linux in reality. Not to mention the totally GNU-free distributions, like Alpine.

• bofadeez

  today at 8:01 PM

  [flagged]

Does anyone more familiar with Hurd know how they addressed performance issues encountered by other Mach-based kernels? I remember reading that one of Mach's bottlenecks was validating that each IPC message had proper permissions/access when sending them between processes due to the large number and frequency of messages.

• glhaynes

  today at 8:23 PM

  Is there reason to think they've addressed them?

• floxy

  today at 7:59 PM

  Is that a bottleneck anymore? Maybe something that was appreciable in 1994 isn't a big performance hit in 2026?

  • Analemma_

    today at 8:12 PM

    Isn't it even worse now? The faster computers get, the more that software-induced bottlenecks hurt.

    • doubled112

      today at 8:35 PM

      I could see just powering through because modern hardware is fast enough to do so being an option.

      Adding 20% to a 10 second operation is a lot longer on a wall clock than adding 20% to a 1 second operation.

      • 0cf8612b2e1e

        today at 8:45 PM

        What even is a 20% delta in performance? Like a five year old difference in hardware design.

        If I could get a micro kernel with a better security profile than Linux, that doesn’t sound so bad. I could easily be using a ten year old chip for my day to day browsing and probably wouldn’t notice.

      • monocasa

        today at 8:41 PM

        If anything, Mach style IPC has gotten worse because of the greater overhead if kernel/user transitions. Spectre really did a number on context switching overhead.

    • Manozco

      today at 8:24 PM

      I'm not a Hurd contributor ( or any OS kernel / library ).

      I'm not sure this holds today. One example I can see is related to crypto. We used to have specific hardware for computing cryptography functions but it's now handled directly in standard hardware and the software has not evolved ( but it's been faster and faster to compute checksum functions )

      • monocasa

        today at 8:42 PM

        I mean, every major arch has crypto specific acceleration instructions.

I hope Hurd has its day. Maybe in 100 years or something.

• this_user

  today at 7:35 PM

  Instead of rewriting Bun, maybe Anthropic should have thrown some tokens at finishing Hurd.

  • officeplant

    today at 8:02 PM

    We'd have to name it Turd then.

• EarlKing

  today at 7:31 PM

  Fun fact: Duke Nukem Forever shipped before GNU Hurd.

  • markus_zhang

    today at 8:45 PM

    Maybe they are still in the same level of forever. Oh well.

• achyudh

  today at 8:09 PM

  Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1508/

• lynx97

  today at 6:59 PM

  Hurd will have its day once Linux makes it on the desktop :-)

  • mike_ivanov

    today at 8:52 PM

    As a sign in the window of a tiny shop in my quiet suburb says "Laptop and phone repairs - Windows, Linux and MacOS". If that doesn't count, I don't know what else could.

  • adrian_b

    today at 7:44 PM

    While I upvoted this, as being true for the general population, for me Linux has made it on the desktop (and laptop) much more than 2 decades ago, around 2003, when the remaining problems that had forced me to use dual-booting with Windows had been solved (i.e. when it became possible in Linux to play movies, read DVDs and use TV tuners). When that happened, I wiped out Windows from my computers.

    If you have a pro to help you, already for a long time Linux has been fine on the desktop for anyone. My parents, over 80 years old, have used Linux on their PCs for many years, and they did not even know what "Linux" is. That was possible because I installed and configured for them the operating system and all the applications they needed for reading and writing documents, Internet browsing, e-mail, music listening and movie watching etc.

    Windows is easy only because it comes preinstalled. I have installed Windows at work on many kinds of computers and during installation I have encountered much more problems impossible to solve for a non-expert than when installing Linux.

  • pjmlp

    today at 7:10 PM

    Linux has made it to the desktop, packaged inside VMs served by Apple, Microsoft and Google.

    • metalliqaz

      today at 7:19 PM

      That's not really what everyone means.

      However the recent success of gaming-related distros such as SteamOS and Bazzite seem to be succeeding where Usability-focused distros such as Mint, Pop!, and Zorin couldn't get deep traction

      • inigyou

        today at 7:32 PM

        This should be a lesson about providing a product versus providing a technology.

        Ubuntu is "like Windows but not" which is mostly relevant to people boycotting Windows. Steam Deck is "a gamebox" which people who already like games might want to buy. Bazzite is "a thing that turns your computer into a gamebox." Of course, people don't actually want gameboxes either - they want to play games - but it's a few steps closer.

      • pjmlp

        today at 7:42 PM

        No, but that is what they will ever get from OEMs selling PCs at computer stores used by normies.

        Also lets not forget those distros play Windows games, because hardly any studio bothers with native Linux games.

        • nemomarx

          today at 7:59 PM

          They play both, which is much better for adoption anyway? And it's contributed substantial improvements back to wine and other projects.

    • NoImmatureAdHom

      today at 7:17 PM

      It just...has made it. Plenty of power users just use it as their primary OS. I think official figures under-estimate it because many people daily-driving will spoof user agents of other OSes.

      And there's Android.

      • pjmlp

        today at 7:45 PM

        Ah, Android, with a userspace based on Java, Kotlin, C and C++ standard libraries, Android native APIs, without anything related to GNU/Linux, unless it is a rooted device, or one gets to package a full Linux userspace as an APK, which isn't fully compatible due to security enforcement mechanisms.

        I would look into those statistics regarding desktop world wide adoption, distribution per OS.

        • soperj

          today at 8:29 PM

          People using Linux in 1992 would say something similar to people using any of the current flavours of Linux.

        • jhbadger

          today at 7:51 PM

          Anyone who wants it can have Termux which gives you a full Linux experience under Android with GNU tools if you want it, though.

          • pjmlp

            today at 7:54 PM

            No it does not.

            It gives a Linux experience within the security sandbox from Android, which is why there are limitations when using it on regular devices, via PlayStore.

            Also it requires working around the NDK limitations on available POSIX APIs.

        • vkazanov

          today at 8:09 PM

          Oh come on. :-)

          Linux is not userspace. Linux is a kernel, and android is a parallel fork of the kernel. So android is a version of linux but is not GNU/Linux.

          Android/Linux, if you will. We dont have to be shy this.

    • today at 7:13 PM

  • veqq

    today at 7:22 PM

    Linux hit 10% desktop usage recently

    • today at 7:53 PM

    • pjmlp

      today at 7:52 PM

      Not really, that was a fluke, still below 10%, although getting closer with 7.53%.

      https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide

      • vkazanov

        today at 8:11 PM

        Both numbers are big, no? Especially given the complete dominance of linux in many other settings.

        • pjmlp

          today at 8:53 PM

          Yeah, if we ignore Windows 70%.

  • sampo

    today at 8:28 PM

    Eric S. Raymond opines that now that Microsoft makes its profits mainly from Azure, some product owner in Microsoft will be allowed to enshittify Windows for collection short-term profit, thus paving way for Linux on the desktop.

    https://x.com/esrtweet/status/2084605702203424896

• shevy-java

  today at 7:25 PM

  First there will be the Desktop Linux of the year breakthrough. Evil folks say it will coincide with the end of the world via a total global catastrophy but these people don't understand beauty - such as TempleOS, the most perfect OS of all times.

> I plan to build bootable images and boot the kernel on Apple M1

GuixSD with GNU Hurd would be a really fun way to repurpose an old MBP.

Next year will be the year of GNU Hurd, as well as The Desktop Linux Year and people really using HaikuOS on real hardware for years. You read it here first!

Wow.