$30/mo is slightly mind boggling for this.

I’ve enjoyed the ~70 or so Waymo rides I have taken but to me Waymo, Uber, and Lyft are methods of last resort.

My feet, BART, and SFMuni are my primary methods of transportation and for $104/mo I can take an unlimited number of trips, usually very conveniently.

• CobrastanJorji

  today at 6:51 PM

  Yeah, but imagine you live in Phoenix, AZ, and you can't/won't drive for whatever reason, you've got to get to work every day. Phoenix has buses, but they're not going to be convenient for lots of possible daily commutes. Daily taxi/Uber/Waymo rides are probably a pretty good choice.

  Or imagine that you work a professional travel job and you're flying to/from the airport on a weekly basis. Your employer will pay for your ride to the airport, so why would you take public transit? Now you're doing at least 3-4 taxi/uber/waymo rides a week.

• solenoid0937

  today at 6:45 PM

  I would gladly pay this much for Waymo, Waymos are so much nicer than taxis and public transit.

• laweijfmvo

  today at 6:36 PM

  A Waymo ride once quoted me close to $100 for a couple miles. The same Uber ride ended up being like $21. Surge pricing is real but c’mon.

Cash back is huge for people expensing rides. “Spend company money on us, and take your personal rides every once in a while for free.”

Same model as airlines.

• falcor84

  today at 5:54 PM

  And hotels.com

I wonder how the subscription would respond to a person's area being blocked off.

There construction happening a block down the road from me. As part of the work, the rightmost lane is often blocked during the day (in between rush hours), so that things like concrete pumping can take place. The lane block starts just before where I live.

Around the same time, I noticed that when I would try to take Waymo (which I used to get to PT), I'd be told that things are busy and rides are paused. Recently, I've noticed that if I'm at work (or the PT place) and I want to take a Waymo back home, I'm told "Can't get to that spot right now".

If I had Waymo Premier, I wonder how hard it would be to get a refund on my subscription.

The above talks about a complete block (or, a complete-enough block) to using the service, but what about a major impediment? For example, let's say I travel regularly, and use Waymo to get to/from San Jose airport. Waymo's been disabling highway routes, which for me equates to 20-minute (or more) travel-time increase from home to airport. Would that be enough to qualify for a refund on the subscription?

• nemomarx

  today at 6:07 PM

  Is 20 minutes of extra time a major impediment? I don't think I would get a refund on an Uber if they were a little late to pick me up and drove slowly so I lost 20 minutes in total. Although if that does happen maybe I'm just naive about refunds

  • 98codes

    today at 6:15 PM

    It's a pain if that isn't communicated in the app prior to committing to payment.

It will pay for itself if you spend >300$ per month. I personally wish Waymo have a 399$ per month subscription that give 2 free ride per day so I don't need to own a car just for work.

• ErroneousBosh

  today at 5:31 PM

  That sounds more expensive than just owning a car.

  • minwcnt5

    today at 6:05 PM

    Depends where you live. In SF, parking is more than $300/mo if you have to pay for a spot. Also, many companies subsidize Waymo rides for employees as part of their commuter benefits.

  • solenoid0937

    today at 6:53 PM

    Even if it is expensive, it's much more convenient

  • servercobra

    today at 5:34 PM

    Car payment, insurance, parking, gas/electricity? Going to be over $400/mo in almost all cases in any of the cities Waymo is in.

    • libria

      today at 5:45 PM

      Add tag tax, residential parking, subsidized work parking, maintenance, incurred violations, tolls.

      400/mo or 5000/yr for not having to worry about all that plus never playing the "wait let's circle the block, maybe a spot has opened up" game... sounds tempting.

      • tjohns

        today at 5:55 PM

        "Incurred violations" should be effectively $0. How often are you getting a traffic ticket? I think the last time I got a ticket was a decade ago...

        • infecto

          today at 6:52 PM

          If you live in a city, parking tickets are fairly inevitable. I am sure some folks get away with none but at least in SF I have gotten tickets that were not even for the correct meter and it’s takes more time (at least used to) to fight it than pay the money.

        • MarkusQ

          today at 6:24 PM

          Yeah, that seems like an odd factor to include. The whole message of fines is supposed to be "don't do these specific anti-social things" not "be sure to factor in the arbitrary charges you'll be hit with".

        • ihaveajob

          today at 6:05 PM

          Spread across a city probably more than you think, especially if you include parking tickets. I've never had a driving ticket, and maybe 4 parking ones over decades, but I'm probably on the lower end of the curve. In their first 40 days of operation, Oakland's speed cameras issued 82,000 tickets according to reports. I welcome those as they make streets safer, and I think they should be low cost, but high frequency.

          • criddell

            today at 6:49 PM

            > they should be low cost, but high frequency

            The first ticket should be low cost, the second should be 2 * first, the third should be 2 * second, etc... and the baseline should be reset periodically.

          • jefftk

            today at 6:24 PM

            I would expect tickets issued during the first 40 days to be higher than later, as people haven't adjusted yet

      • agumonkey

        today at 6:11 PM

        maintenance, petty car body degradations.. things gets pricey real fast

        • echelon

          today at 6:31 PM

          I've got 200,000 miles on my Toyota and it's only ever had oil changes, brake pads, and new tires.

          It'll probably make it another decade. Or two.

          • agumonkey

            today at 6:36 PM

            Did you know before hand this would be the case ? cause even when choosing a model that was deemed well made and long-lasting, we hit an unfortunate engine belt timing failure (100k cars were concerned, we got one..) and had to replace the whole thing.

      • fortran77

        today at 6:22 PM

        And in SF your car will be broken into at least 2x/year, unless you always have protected garage parking everywhere you go.

    • today at 5:53 PM

  • parl_match

    today at 6:44 PM

    "sounds"? How about you do the math? Suddenly, it makes a lot more sense.

  • STRiDEX

    today at 6:33 PM

    parking in my condo that i own is $200 because the parking spaces are not deeded, shit is crazy here in sf

    • parl_match

      today at 6:46 PM

      well, you voluntarily purchased a condo without deeded parking. if you want private storage for your private vehicle, pay for it.

      i have a sports car and two motorcycles, and consequently, i did not buy a condo in the mission. instead, i bought a house by 19th street bart and my commute to the city is shorter than some of my coworkers who live half as far as me (by distance).

  • applicative

    today at 5:40 PM

    "the total average annual cost of ownership—which includes your car payment, depreciation, fuel, insurance, maintenance, and taxes—is approximately $12,297 per year (or $1,025 monthly) over a 15-year lifetime"

    • prerok

      today at 6:25 PM

      Can you explain where this comes from? I mean, that's not even close to what the norm is in Europe. Though, to be fair, we don't normally count fuel into TCO and the reasoning is: if you want to go distances then you are always paying for them. Whether it's public transport or taxis or whatever. Is fuel the major contributor in the number?

      • zamadatix

        today at 6:43 PM

        If you want to go some distance you're always paying to do it but you can't therefore assume all means of going a distance cost the same and that factor can be ignored. A plane, train, bus, car, and taxi are all going to have different efficiencies. E.g. they all require maintenance, licensing, and registration as well - but those are still part of TCO because the numbers for each method are also drastically different even if they achieve the same goals & fit in the same line in the end.

        In general, if you're removing a cost you pay for a thing when calculating TCO you're almost certainly no longer on the path to calculating anything that should be called TCO.

    • Rumudiez

      today at 5:45 PM

      that's crazy. my 2005 volvo, 1991 nissan, and 1986 toyota altogether cost me a little over $1k per year (mostly insurance) and it was less than $10k total to buy them all. goes to show average financial literacy in the US. people won't save a few grand for a used car (or take out a small loan even!) and then pay 10x the cost for new

      • cortesoft

        today at 6:00 PM

        You don’t pay for gas? Oil changes? New tires? Air filters?

        • tjohns

          today at 6:03 PM

          Oil changes cost like $35/year if you do it yourself. Decent tires last 4-5 years, so that's like $100/year (to be generous). Air filters are so cheap and need replacement so infrequently as to not even be worth counting.

          • officeplant

            today at 6:26 PM

            I can only get 1-2 years out of tires, but I also drive 25K+ miles a year. (And its a heavy EV Van) Tires are $800ish a set for the affordable ones (also due to heavy van)

            Cabin air filter is twice a year at $18 a filter (I replace them as soon as it smells weird)

            Home electricity is cheap at least. (7¢/kw)

            • georgel

              today at 6:43 PM

              Must be nice to have dirt cheap electricity. PG&E rates are 0.26 to 0.62/kw for the EV plan.

              Source: https://www.pge.com/assets/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/resid...

              • parl_match

                today at 6:52 PM

                Even with "expensive" electricity, and using your worst case scenario, it's still usually cheaper to charge 400 mile EV from 0-100% (another worst case scenario), than it is to fill up an equivalent gas vehicle. Even before the current gas prices spike.

                But let's use your "worst case" scenario.

                Worst case 300 mile EV charge (100%, during peak hours): about $50 Filling up a highly fuel efficient vehicle: about $40

                Of course, if you only charge the EV to 80% (as is recommended, and more efficient), and only set it to charge it off-peak (as is normal), then the numbers are more like:

                EV: $30 Gas: $40

          • cortesoft

            today at 6:31 PM

            If you are doing the work yourself, you have to count the value of your time, then.

      • yoavm

        today at 5:49 PM

        Do they run on air?

      • RankingMember

        today at 6:14 PM

        I think you and I may be a rarity. Most people seem to value having new vehicles, and I don't say that dismissively- there's definitely something to be said for modern safety features as vehicles continue to grow bigger and heavier.

        • Rumudiez

          today at 6:56 PM

          true, not all of these are created equal. that old volvo has side curtain airbags and other safety features that were ahead of its time. but it takes experience to know what you're shopping for. I turned down a corolla that was 10 years newer for the same price because the older volvo was actually the better vehicle inside and out

        • parl_match

          today at 6:48 PM

          There's a difference between buying a GMC Pedestrian Destroyer and a Honda Civic.

      • wat10000

        today at 6:37 PM

        Your used cars are only so cheap because most people don't buy old used cars. If they did as you suggest, then it would no longer be such a good deal.

  • tencentshill

    today at 5:34 PM

    That payment gets you a $28k used car at best, assuming no other costs. It won't be anything fancy.

    • jasonlotito

      today at 5:56 PM

      > assuming no other costs.

      Assuming normal costs, you are looking $21-$22k not including taxes.

      There is no way you are finding a car for $28k for just $400. Trust me.

      • zamadatix

        today at 6:33 PM

        I think they are just saying something like 400 * 72 gives you an absolute hard ceiling of 28k and change. Once you add in interests, sales tax, and other fees, you end up with something like the numbers you're saying. 72 months sounds stupid, because it is, but extremely long car loans are becoming increasingly common these days https://www.marketscreener.com/news/new-experian-automotive-... and you can even sometimes go to 84 if you really want that 28k number at $400/m.

    • nobody_r_knows

      today at 5:45 PM

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  • dbbk

    today at 6:37 PM

    What? No

Why does EVERYTHING needs to be a subscription?...

I used Waymo about 10 times in Austin - it was great. I wish they'd accelerate the rollout to other cities. I wonder what the major technical hurdles are for launching in a new city?

• unglaublich

  today at 6:29 PM

  Mapping, legislation and licensing, marketing, existing taxi lobbies, consumer trust...

• Pseudocrat

  today at 6:30 PM

  Well, recently in Austin Waymo cars blocked emergency services during a mass shooting event.

  That may be causing other cities some caution.

I'd be more interested in a $29/month surcharge if Waymo weren't already significantly more expensive than Uber/Lyft to begin with.

• readams

  today at 6:07 PM

  When you consider the required tipping, the cost is quite close. And the Waymo is nicer.

  • silverquiet

    today at 6:42 PM

    > Waymo is nicer

    Just wait till Google spins it off to private equity; it'll be barley running bits of vehicles patched together by the cheapest mechanics they can find.

    Enjoy it while you can; I'd love to give it a go myself, but even though I live in a city where they are supposedly in commercial operation, I can't get one to either of the two houses on either side of town that I currently split my time between. I have a buddy who lives a few blocks from one of their zones who walked over just so he could try it out. As of now, our sub-standard, minimally-invested-in-this-century bus system is actually much better suited to my needs.

  • leptons

    today at 6:33 PM

    I don't know if it's "nicer". I've had some great conversations with Uber/Lyft drivers. Hilarious fun conversations. Not all of them, but enough to make me question if a riding in a clanker car is actually "nicer". I guess if someone is socially awkward, it might be nicer for them.

So jealous we dont have this in the Northeast. Hurry up!

• Falimonda

  today at 6:23 PM

  I saw a Waymo with safety driver driving around Boston a few weeks back. The concerning thing was just how much it backed up traffic getting off the freeway because they're not allowed to go any faster than the posted speed limit.

  • Analemma_

    today at 6:27 PM

    "Car obeys the speed limit, drivers lucid with rage" definitely sounds like my memories of Boston.

Hmm, so for $30 a month you basically get 10% cash back. There's some break even point here if you use Waymo enough. I think in SF, this would make a lot of sense, especially since there are so many Waymos up there to begin with. In South Bay though, if you don't have a car you're pretty much cooked.

> Waymo Premier costs $29.99 per month and will be initially offered to select riders in San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Phoenix.

> Waymo Premier is a new invite-only membership program built for those who rely on us most. For a monthly fee, members gain access to a suite of exclusive benefits designed to make their journey more seamless and rewarding:

Priority Pickups: Skip the line with prioritized matching

Ride Savings: Earn 10% Waymo Cash back on every trip, and even more during busy times.

Early Access: Be among the first to experience Waymo in new cities, as we expand.

Flexible Cancellations: Peace of mind with up to five free cancellations per month.

---

ok so just amazon prime for waymo. its alright but i feel like they had the chance to go REALLY high end with like a $300/month plan that people will still pay for because supply is so limited. instead they went mass consumer with a name like "Premier". eh.

(sorry waymo person reading this i know what its like to name a thing and regret it)

• Almondsetat

  today at 5:07 PM

  >Be among the first to experience Waymo in new cities, as we expand

  How is this useful in any way? by definition it's a subscription for people already using the service in the (few) supported cities. If I use it in Denver, why would I care to have early access in Washington?

  • rafram

    today at 5:12 PM

    I imagine they'll try to get new users to sign up for a month of Premier to try Waymo early once it becomes available in their city. Basically juice a few thousand early adopters for 30 bucks each, which also lets them judge demand and gives them some extra revenue to build out their vehicle/parking network before the full launch.

    • daheza

      today at 5:51 PM

      Pay $30 to be a beta tester for self driving cars in a new city. I wouldn’t sign up for that.

  • skybrian

    today at 6:23 PM

    I assume it’s for business travelers.

  • pavon

    today at 5:09 PM

    If you travel a lot for work and would prefer to use Waymo over Uber or renting.

  • 0gs

    today at 5:14 PM

    yeah, as with so many things, sounds like enterprise users are the target. and enterprise users travel to different cities all the time!

  • brokensegue

    today at 5:39 PM

    i assumed it's for influencers who want to make a video of the new city or something

  • xnx

    today at 5:14 PM

    A lot of people (myself included) would pay $30 to get Waymo a month earlier in their home city.

• themanmaran

  today at 5:21 PM

  Agreed! If you're a 20+ company in SF you're required to offer commuter benefits (up to $340 / month).

  That's usually things like caltrain / muni. But I would definitely sponsor a $300/mo waymo subscription if it was like 20 rides a month.

Thus the enshittification begins. Charge a fee for "premium" features -> features degrade over time -> drop features for non-subscribers -> subscription required for access at all, plus you get to pay the fee to go somewhere.

What I want is a way to rent a car for an hour or two, so that I can leave shopping items or child seats in the car while making stops around town.

• jerlam

  today at 5:49 PM

  AAA had car-sharing as a service nine years ago, but it and many of its competitors have closed:

  https://oaklandside.org/2024/07/25/gig-will-shut-down-its-ca...

• mmoustafa

  today at 5:23 PM

  I think you're looking at $60 an hour which is not horrible (estimating Waymo avg is 3 rides / hour x $20 per ride)

• keane

  today at 5:42 PM

  I assume you mean a self-driving vehicle but if not: https://www.zipcar.com/cities

• jimkleiber

  today at 5:20 PM

  Like Waymo meets Zipcar?

  • kotaKat

    today at 6:13 PM

    That actually sorta? exists! Vay uses remotely teleoperated vehicles in Vegas to drop off your rental, then take it away once you're done.

    https://vay.io/

Premier? How outdated. Should have named it "Waymo Supreme" for that extra generational cringe.

What’s up with the fake review?

> I get privacy, time back, …

Yea you get "privacy" in a car kitted with the most advanced 360 degree camera system in the interior and exterior of the vehicle. Waymo PR team unhinged

• SauntSolaire

  today at 6:54 PM

  For a lot of people privacy just means you don't have to talk to anyone.

I'm SO tired of subscription services that only offer the opportunity to buy more stuff.

  - Doordash wants you to subscribe
  - AMC movies want you to subscribe
  - Now Waymo wants you to subscribe

• asveikau

  today at 5:10 PM

  This type of subscription model is a little less annoying, most "normal" people will sign up for the non-subscription rate, and frequent users are already frequent users, so they will be more OK with a subscription.

  Speaking personally, I don't see enough movies or do enough ride shares to want to subscribe to AMC or Waymo, but Doordash would make sense. Maybe it's OK for me to pay a higher price for the ~1 time per year I use those other services.

  • wat10000

    today at 5:16 PM

    The problem is that they'll keep advertising it to you. I'm already giving them money, but they'll still push me to subscribe while I'm in the middle of trying to give them my money, because that's not enough for them.

    • graphime

      today at 5:40 PM

      > The problem is that they'll keep advertising it to you

      If you don’t like it, then change providers.

      If all providers do it, then you must pay to avoid advertisements.

      Or, complain to your elected government representatives.

      What’s that? Your Chase/Amex credit card gives you a monthly/annual credit? Ok. No more complaints then.

• modwilliam

  today at 5:06 PM

  AMC doesn't fit here, once you subscribe to a list there's basically no additional cost. And the lower tiers skip fees etc

• pavon

  today at 5:17 PM

  The existence of loyalty clubs are fine. If you use the service a lot, then it is a better deal, and the company gets the benefit that you are more likely to consolidate your spending with them rather than shop around. Win-win.

  It is the fact that you can't do anything without them being pushed down your throat that is infuriating. Every interaction with a company these days is an attempt to up-sell. When a small number of retail stores started that, I stopped doing business with them. Now they all do it.

• kylehotchkiss

  today at 6:11 PM

  What's worse... subscription hassle or a tip hassle?

• nicebyte

  today at 5:14 PM

  If done right, this is more like a monthly bus pass

  • daheza

    today at 6:36 PM

    Well this is being done wrong because it doesn’t include any rides with the subscription

  • ErroneousBosh

    today at 5:35 PM

    Why not just get a monthly bus pass?

    • JumpCrisscross

      today at 5:38 PM

      > Why not just get a monthly bus pass?

      It's less convenient, doesn't work nationally and isn't as fun?

    • fragmede

      today at 6:23 PM

      The other people on the bus.

• colesantiago

  today at 5:11 PM

  I wonder if these services would be instead be like micropayments (charged by $0.01 per minute) instead of a costly $20/mo subscription it would make more sense.

This caught my eye:

> I'm not obligated to talk to someone that I don't want to talk to

I’m wondering what we lose as a society if people never have to be in even a mildly uncomfortable situation. There’s a book called The Comfort Crisis about this topic.

EDIT: The full quote is “I get privacy, time back, a safe ride, and I'm not obligated to talk to someone that I don't want to talk to.”

In her quote she chose to separate safety and having a conversation with a stranger as two separate issues.

• junon

  today at 5:01 PM

  As a gay dude I experienced my fair share of "uncomfortable" Uber rides from or to various places. No thanks. I don't need to stimulate those kinds of social skills or whatever.

  Can't even imagine what women go through.

  • init2null

    today at 6:24 PM

    Gay here, but I've only experienced a concerning conversation once, and that was a longer trip where sometimes you find out too much. I took an exit ramp away from that topic of conversation and it was fine. Otherwise everyone has been decent to downright pleasant.

    I'd feel like I'm losing something by giving up that human interaction, such that it is.

  • klmarks

    today at 5:28 PM

    Now the human supervisors in the Philippines watch you through the Waymo cameras and talk about you.

    • junon

      today at 5:54 PM

      I don't care what people think about me. I care about the guy who has Jesus hung in every nook and cranny with a candle lit in his front cupholder telling me that I need to repent. In San Francisco, I might add.

      I couldn't care less what people in the Philippines - one of the most gay-friendly countries in Asia - think of me through a camera stream.

    • daheza

      today at 5:52 PM

      Some regulation that limited the operators to work in the city they supervise would be an easy job win for some politicians. Create some jobs and look like you’re standing up to big tech.

    • JumpCrisscross

      today at 5:37 PM

      > the human supervisors in the Philippines watch you through the Waymo cameras and talk about you

      Literally don't care. What I don't need is to be evangelised with whatever conspiracy theory or fringe religion my driver just joined the entire way back from JFK.

    • MBlume

      today at 5:42 PM

      Yes, and? What is your threat model here?

• spike021

  today at 5:09 PM

  One time I hopped in an Uber and got a missionary-like lecture on Islam and an invite to go to a mosque.

  More typical of Christians so it kind of threw me off.

  But anyway, a paid service shouldn't be starting that kind of conversation unless for some reason I started it and even then that'd make it just as uncomfortable for the driver.

• cflewis

  today at 6:48 PM

  This is a male perspective.

  My wife will not ride alone in Uber's because she's had one too many uncomfortable -> possibly dangerous situations.

  This appears to be true for all of her friends as well.

• pirate787

  today at 5:09 PM

  This is the real issue:

  "Uber received over 400,000 sexual assault and misconduct reports between 2017 and 2022"

  https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/06/uber-liable-pay-8-5-million-...

  • ErroneousBosh

    today at 5:34 PM

    That averages out at 220 reports a day, which kind of sounds like a lot to me.

    • llbbdd

      today at 6:43 PM

      I'm a man, and I've been using Uber since it launched. Most rides are fine, but there are enough weirdos on the platform that 220 incidents per day that are serious enough to report seems reasonable to me, even if you don't consider that they operate internationally.

      I once had a driver pick me up in downtown Seattle, and it turned out to be that he was driving for Uber as a tactic for his entrepreneurial venture developing antimicrobial and hydrophobic coating. He claimed to have applied it to the fishing boat from Deadliest Catch. He was specifically circling downtown to try to pick up someone who could get the ear of someone in Amazon's grocery division that he could pitch to (which I was not). At a red light in a nightmarish seven-way intersection, he took out a square of cheesecloth that had apparently had the coating applied, and attempted to demonstrate its effectiveness by pouring water onto it. It worked, and the water got all over his passenger seat and center console instead while the light turned green and cars behind us honked.

      A few months later, Uber tried to match me with that same driver, and I cancelled it and walked instead. I have to imagine that if a guy with that level of high-preparation social ineptitude can stick around in their system, that the number of people making offhand inappropriate moves or remarks must be reasonably high.

• rafram

  today at 5:24 PM

  I think "people should just deal with uncomfortable situations" (while in a vehicle that they have no control over!) is not a winning argument, but the continuing march toward tech-enabled isolation is absolutely bad.

  It can be annoying to have to deal with irrational humans who make mistakes, but that really is just part of life! I'll take some cumbersome conversations over conducting my entire life via corporate app interfaces.

• lern_too_spel

  today at 5:07 PM

  There are uncomfortable situations that you can walk away from like a checkout counter, and then there are uncomfortable situations where you are in a car in an unfamiliar location driven by the person making you uncomfortable.

  • fartcoin67

    today at 5:31 PM

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• ihsw

  today at 5:03 PM

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• klmarks

  today at 5:27 PM

  Yes, some people apparently can't figure out that if you sit in the back of the cab, the driver doesn't talk and probably also prefers it that way.

  They need a technical solution for issues that a 10 year old can figure out.

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> “I never got my driver's license, and I rely on Waymo to commute to an office every day," said Sarah Paige Roland, a Waymo rider in Phoenix. "I get privacy, time back, a safe ride, and I'm not obligated to talk to someone that I don't want to talk to."

I recognize that this is a luxury product but I kind of laughed out loud at this testimonial. The amount of privilege you need to have to grow up and live in *Arizona* without ever learning how to drive is insane.

• ativzzz

  today at 5:41 PM

  Alternatively, consider the person is disabled and is physically incapable of driving.

• teaearlgraycold

  today at 6:30 PM

  And then spend at least $800/month commuting.

Waymo will never be a serious option until they fix the insane surge pricing. And yes, they're working on it.

> “I never got my driver's license, and I rely on Waymo to commute to an office every day," said Sarah Paige Roland, a Waymo rider in Phoenix. "I get privacy, time back, a safe ride, and I'm not obligated to talk to someone that I don't want to talk to. Adding cash back and priority pickups on top of that makes Premier a no-brainer for someone like me."

I get what they're trying to say, but their pitch boils down to: "use waymo if youre too stupid to get a DL and too antisocial to talk to people". Bit rough. They really could have done a lot better with this PR piece lol.

• lotsofpulp

  today at 6:46 PM

  > use waymo if youre too stupid to get a DL and too antisocial to talk to people".

  -or- use Waymo if you don’t want to spend resources on owning and maintaining a car, and if you are part of the population that has or may feel too intimidated or unsafe to navigate a potentially adversarial conversation with someone more powerful than you, such as women.