Hey all, I'm Sean, the founder of Ruby for Good!

Excited to see this posted. We'd previously shared it in a few Slacks and were planning a larger announcement after the long weekend, but since someone beat us to it, we've opened up the early-bird registrations we were saving for Tuesday.

The Ruby for Good in-person event is absolutely not a hackathon. It's a friendly gathering of OS maintainers where we work on existing projects (some have been running for over 10 years!) and kick off new ones. We don't code into the night and burn folks out, either. We have a hard stop every day when we break for dinner. The evenings are reserved for karaoke, conversations and s'more-making around the campfire, board games, and all the other fun nerdery that happens when you get a group of awesome folks together. Really, the best way to think of the event is as "nerd camp for good." Everyone leaves having made a bunch of new close friends.

That's partly because helping non-profits is only part of the RfG mission. The other parts are growing the tech community and helping folks level up, regardless of skill level.

For people interested in attending this year: we'll be working on existing projects as well as kicking off several new ones. With ACA subsidies going away and the number of nonprofits reaching out to us, our focus area this year is healthcare. We'll be launching a project with an Ohio/Illinois nonprofit that works with pediatric cancer patients and their families, another in Virginia that works with cancer caregivers, and a Maryland nonprofit focused on mental health.

If you can't make it, almost all our projects are on GitHub and run year-round, so feel free to grab an issue!

I’m glad to see conferences like this exist. It creates dedicated space for these focuses and the people who care passionately about them.

The actual Ruby for Good website has more information: https://rubyforgood.org/

• ramon156

  today at 8:07 PM

  Sadly Ai generated. Bummer.

Hackathons can be a blast. That said, it usually takes extra effort to productionize-a-thing after the initial hackathon effort.

Hope to see a follow-up post on what was built!

Why does Ruby still have this artisinal aura to it, never seen C/C++ For Good gathering.

• swat535

  today at 8:16 PM

  Well, Ruby was designed by Matz who is a native Japanese, so it encompasses lot of the Japanese ideals of perfection and beauty.

  It's no accident that it's named after one of the rarest gems in nature. This philosophy of craft and beauty is thus instilled within the community and gets carried forward.

• michaelteter

  today at 7:54 PM

  I can't answer for others, but IMO, Ruby is the most elegant and expressive general purpose programming language that has reached a significant level of maturity and large audience.

  If you write Ruby for a few years, and then you "go back" to other languages, you will groan. That's not to say that some other languages do not have things that we wish Ruby had, but often those other things would not really fit well with Ruby.

  Nothing is perfect from every angle. But writing Ruby can be a joy for some of us.

• gobdovan

  today at 7:37 PM

  I think it's the community. As an outsider watching a friend who is deeply involved with the Ruby ecosystem, I am in awe of the support they get even for small, artisanal-seeming projects from other devs in the community. I've seen them become a better a developer simply by showing up to conferences, talking to other maintainers and participating in the community.

• shevy-java

  today at 7:24 PM

  I would not know, but I also do not think that an event xyz in one place at time, reflects all of a community either. So I could not tell you what the people there do; probably they want to socialize. I think creating and maintaining high quality project would be much more important but maybe that's just me. All the main drivers in ruby, have been written ages ago really - rails, _why the lucky stiff, even the old "Learn to program" tutorial from Chris Pine and so forth. That is not to say that no innovation has happened since then, of course, but it seems the peak days are really far, far behind now ...

  Ruby is still a great programming language, but it really needs to intensify the effort to get out of the pit-of-decline.

  • isityettime

    today at 7:34 PM

    > Ruby is still a great programming language, but it really needs to intensify the effort to get out of the pit-of-decline.

    The languages that have supplanted it haven't succeeded by being excellent. If excellence won't do it, what should "Ruby" do?

    • michaelteter

      today at 7:57 PM

      At this point, we should just appreciate Ruby and move on. In the AI age, other languages are better choices. Ruby is my favorite language, but I build with Go now. Or rather, I guide my minions to build with Go. They write Go better than they would write Ruby (or Python... please die, Python).

I volunteered a few years ago and had a great experience.

> an annual event happening this year in the Washington DC area where programmers from all over the globe get together over a long weekend to build and contribute to projects that help our communities

Or, just write code for a project - and add useful documentation to it. This is probably more relevant than overpriced hackathons.

The only programming language I know of that is obsessed with trumpeting its own moral virtue. "Matz is nice so we are nice," "Ruby for good," dragging DHH, etc.

Meanwhile the Ruby Central and whytheluckystiff debacles show it to be anything but.

• jnovek

  today at 6:56 PM

  _why’s disappearance from the scene was 17 years ago at this point. I don’t think the Ruby community you’re talking about exists anymore.

• the_gastropod

  today at 6:58 PM

  Dude, what? Is it the MINASWAN acronym that's the problem or? If that's "trumpeting moral virtue", I can think of lots of programming languages that trumpet their moral virtue:

  Let's check out the Rust Code of Conduct (https://rust-lang.org/policies/code-of-conduct/):

  "Please be kind and courteous. There’s no need to be mean or rude."

  "We are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of level of experience, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, or other similar characteristic."

  Seems pretty morally virtuous, no?

  How 'bout Gleam... Right on their home page (https://gleam.run):

  "As a community, we want to be friendly too. People from around the world, of all backgrounds, genders, and experience levels are welcome and respected equally. See our community code of conduct for more.

  Black lives matter. Trans rights are human rights. No nazi bullsh*t."

  Seems morally virtuous, too!

  Also also: what does the "whytheluckystiff debacle" have to do with any of this?! Also also also: _why was pretty much the first prominent "dragger" of dhh. Man was an innovator.

  • okeuro49

    today at 7:53 PM

    The CoC reminds me a lot of this quote by Sowell:

    "...if the answer to the problem is that people should just be virtuous, then there is no problem, because we have known that for thousands of years."

  • b65e8bee43c2ed0

    today at 7:27 PM

    >Seems pretty morally virtuous, no?

    CoC is blatantly a tool for a certain kind of folx to evict those hostile or indifferent to their ideology from the governance and replace them with more useless eaters. happened time and time again, always with vague hand-wringly accusations of CoC violation.

    and in the end, the funding those projects receive are no longer being used for development but for pet causes of the now ruling folx, and we all lose.

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• compumike

  today at 5:41 PM

  You can cheaply and readably give a lot of clues to both agents and humans with some assertions at the start of a method:

    raise ArgumentError.new("...") unless ...
  

  which can include type assertions but also a lot more. The agents seem to do well with this.

  I've also had good results using agents to write Crystal https://crystal-lang.org/ which is Ruby-like but does have the static types and produces blazing fast static binaries. Might be a sweet spot for coding agents if you're building some backend services. But I'd still pick Ruby on Rails for a new full stack project.

• BirAdam

  today at 5:00 PM

  Why go halfway with Rust when you could just pick Ada SPARK? Seems like an arbitrary choice based off of rationalizing a trend.

  • pelagicAustral

    today at 5:53 PM

    I feel like your comment is a bit tongue in cheek and i am going to take it at face value, but I honestly been feeling increasingly more like doing verbatim what you're suggesting and i dont have a very solid justification for it.

    • BirAdam

      today at 6:53 PM

      I meant it honestly. What excuse do people have to choose anything other than mission critical technologies if the AI system can do most of the heavy lifting? Why should we settle for anything less than five 9s of uptime?

  • firesteelrain

    today at 5:12 PM

    Because you pick Ada Spark if are in a certification heavy environment like Aerospace.

• blacksmith_tb

  today at 5:12 PM

  That seems like it would depend quite a bit on the project? I would think many nonprofits would want a webapp of some flavor, and Ruby (or Python) are still not bad choices there - my experience with Claude is that it handles Ruby well.

• vidarh

  today at 6:05 PM

  Agents handle Ruby just fine. I used to have to give them some stern rules about avoiding instance_variable_get etc. instead of adding accessors, but those problems have pretty much vanished in the last 6 months.

  I like using Ruby with agents because the code remains short and readable.

• jazzyjackson

  today at 5:39 PM

  I’m downvoting because this is basically bait without any contribution as to why you feel that way, but personally I vibe coded a very successful result by iterating a rails app and then crawling the entire site into static files (~144,000 product pages and category pages) and then stashing them all in a bucket on cloudflare free tier.

  I never wrote ruby before so I could only sanity check the results and approach of what it was doing, but thanks to the automated data migrations it was very easy for me to change my mind about how I wanted data to be structured, rollback if it didn’t work etc. it is a language designed for rapid iteration.

• m12k

  today at 5:25 PM

  The typescript team themselves rewrote the compiler in Go to get better use of coding agents.

  • hoten

    today at 5:31 PM

    They started that migration years ago. I don't remember them citing agentic coding as a reason. Do you have a source?

    • lexoj

      today at 6:08 PM

      Not sure about the compiler but prominent users of llm agents (Mitchel Hashimoto, Armin Ronacher etc) has mentioned that Go gives better results for agentic coding.

  • franz899

    today at 5:42 PM

    They did it for speed, and Go was the language with the closest syntax to migrate to.

• lfx

  today at 5:06 PM

  I understand why rust, but why TS? just for a front end?

  • mdavidn

    today at 5:21 PM

    Compiler errors help the chatbot find and fix problems. The equivalent in Ruby, RBS, isn't as widely adopted. Type annotations being in separate files is also inconvenient.

    https://github.com/ruby/rbs

• graboid

  today at 5:25 PM

  I feel for a smallish project I'd rather prefer to have more readable, dense code like Ruby's over the ceremony of static types.

  • QuantumNomad_

    today at 5:46 PM

    There is almost no ceremony involved in dealing with types in Rust.

    And what little there is, is worth it ten-fold for all of the runtime bug headaches that you avoid compared to dynamically typed languages.

• throwaway613746

  today at 5:20 PM

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