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Texas woman arrested for Facebook post about town water quality

263 points - today at 6:02 PM

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  • vjvjvjvjghv

    today at 6:32 PM

    I assume she will get a settlement, the city (the taxpayer) will pay for it and nothing else changes. There will be even less money for infrastructure repair and people will keep voting for the same people.

      • snazypaparazzi

        today at 7:06 PM

        I think everything is consistent with the perspective Texas represents toward the united states. It's fine if Texas doesn't implement reforms and fails. (There are 49 other states and may the ones that invent or adopt the best practices survive.)

          • luxuryballs

            today at 7:58 PM

            fine for who? Texans? this is a silly mentality, no need to compare any other location, Texas as a standalone entity and the many stakeholders wouldn’t reasonably think it’s fine

            • smt88

              today at 7:13 PM

              What do you think “fails” means exactly? How does Texas fail in a way that doesn’t harm innocent people in both Texas and the rest of the country/world?

              Texas is larger (in both population and economy) than most countries in the world.

                • snazypaparazzi

                  today at 7:23 PM

                  The Federal government enforces a few rules and then leaves things to the state and people. Obviously that means the state and people have no nanny to protect them from consequences of their decisions. If they drain their budgets fighting the civil rights of their population instead of fixing a problem then they might look like a lot of bankrupt municipalities. The US is obligated to let that happen.

                    • autoexec

                      today at 7:36 PM

                      Not really. The federal government bails Texas out of the messes they get themselves into all the time (like their shitty power grid). Historically, Texas has often received more in federal funding than it contributes in federal taxes.

                        • snazypaparazzi

                          today at 7:45 PM

                          Sure, most of the South is in a hypocritical position of claiming to want the federal system I described, I want them to get it..

                  • fzeroracer

                    today at 7:24 PM

                    This is true, but Texans as a whole keep enabling these outcomes by both voting and supporting politicians that create it, as well as the state as a whole generally refusing aid.

                    It's one of the (many) reasons why I immediately moved out of the state when I had a chance. There's only so much that can be done when a lot of the states politics and environment is wholly self-destructive.

            • epistasis

              today at 7:31 PM

              That's not a fair assumption in the current political environment.

              Those who have lots of money will get fair hearings under the court, but those with less power might not. There's a reason people like Elon Musk write into agreements that they must be settled in particular Texas courts.

                • aliasxneo

                  today at 7:49 PM

                  I don't think that's the full picture. Activist judges have been a problem for awhile now, and it seems to be mostly influenced by ideology rather than purely money.

                    • cjkaminski

                      today at 7:57 PM

                      That's quite a claim. You need to cite your sources for this one, if you want to be taken seriously.

                      • epistasis

                        today at 7:53 PM

                        You can't really venue shop for an "activist" judge but you can for one who will side with the powerful over the weak. Your comparison is itself not a full picture.

                          • aliasxneo

                            today at 7:57 PM

                            I wasn't implying my comparison was a full picture, only offering another side. Do the quotes around "activist" mean you don't believe they exist? I don't know why anyone would think the judicial branch is immune from the constantly growing divide in American politics these days.

                            Happy to agree to disagree. But I'm not convinced the judicial branch is free of ideologically captured judges who are intentionally "shopped" by people with an agenda.

            • rami3l

              today at 7:34 PM

              I was immediately reminded of this old piece on water quality issues and local politics...

              > An Enemy of the People [..] is an 1882 play [..] that [..] centers on Dr. Thomas Stockmann, who discovers a serious contamination issue in his town's new spas, endangering public health. His courageous decision to expose this truth brings severe backlash from local leaders [..]

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Enemy_of_the_People

              • infinite_spin

                today at 7:16 PM

                I'm not a lawyer, but I think qualified immunity should not apply to constitutional violations. Giving an opt-out for those violations is antithetical to the very substance of our (US) constitution.

                  • jopsen

                    today at 7:44 PM

                    It's weird to me that courts don't at-least attempt to review if the conduct was in good faith and plausibly reasonable given the facts know at the time.

                    The idea that officials aren't personally liable for mistakes made in good faith isn't bad. But somehow the US tends to produce a lot of cases where good faith requires a lot of faith :)

                    • jazzypants

                      today at 7:25 PM

                      Qualified Immunity should not apply ever. Period. No one should be above the law for any reason ever.

                        • pdpi

                          today at 7:33 PM

                          Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

                          Qualified immunity, as a concept, makes perfect sense. Police officers are not jurists, and they will make mistakes in enforcing the law. Making those officers personally liable for honest mistakes is, IMO, excessive.

                          The issue isn't qualified immunity itself, but rather the maximalist interpretation that seems pervasive in the US justice system, and the overwhelmingly broad definition of "honest mistake" that seemingly applies to the police, and the police alone.

                            • isityettime

                              today at 7:58 PM

                              > Police officers are not jurists, and they will make mistakes in enforcing the law. Making those officers personally liable for honest mistakes is, IMO, excessive.

                              Or maybe police training should be longer than a coding bootcamp... in some countries, police work is an undergraduate major and the programs are quite competitive. Similarly, there are countries without qualified immunity as a policy, and it doesn't seem to fundamentally undermine policework there.

                              • jazzypants

                                today at 7:37 PM

                                I think you would find that they would make far fewer illegal mistakes if they actually had to deal with the consequences of those mistakes.

                                Qualified Immunity didn't exist as a concept until the 1960s, and it was put in place to shield policemen enacting racist policies and corrupt cronies of Nixon.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity

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                                    • hk1337

                                      today at 7:44 PM

                                      I think we would see far fewer actions at all for fear of being sued.

                                        • jazzypants

                                          today at 7:48 PM

                                          They could just buy insurance. You know, like doctors, lawyers, and a wide variety of other professionals that deal with liabilities in their field.

                                          Regardless, the police get sued all the time anyways. It's just that the burden currently falls on the taxpayers.

                                  • wvenable

                                    today at 7:54 PM

                                    "Doctors and nurses will make mistakes in performing medicine. Making those doctors and nurses personally liable for honest mistakes is, IMO, excessive."

                                    How many other jobs can we apply this to?

                                    • mpalmer

                                      today at 7:46 PM

                                          Qualified immunity, as a concept, makes perfect sense. Police officers are not jurists, and they will make mistakes in enforcing the law. Making those officers personally liable for honest mistakes is, IMO, excessive.
                                      
                                      Your own usage of "honest mistake" is overwhelmingly broad, so it's not at all clear what alternative definition of qualified immunity you are advocating.

                              • balderdash

                                today at 7:26 PM

                                yup, i think a majority of people would agree with you, so why hasn't it happened? I think the answer is that elected representatives are more beholden to public sector unions than their constituents.

                          • thekevan

                            today at 7:16 PM

                            The city issued a boil water advisory about about 13 or 14 days after her arrest.

                            • nkrisc

                              today at 6:52 PM

                              Yikes, they’ll have to arrest most of the current federal administration if they ever set foot in Texas if that post meets the criteria for that particular law. That’s going to cause problems.

                                • dpe82

                                  today at 6:57 PM

                                  Oh don't worry, the enforcement is extremely selective.

                                  • kibwen

                                    today at 7:05 PM

                                    Never heard of Ken Paxton, I suppose?

                                      • skrebbel

                                        today at 7:19 PM

                                        who?

                                • scoofy

                                  today at 7:39 PM

                                  The charges have already been dismissed: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/charges-dismissed-against-...

                                  Good for the grand jury for not indicting this ham sandwich.

                                    • pfdietz

                                      today at 7:43 PM

                                      That town now has not just a bad water problem, but a large free speech lawsuit problem.

                                      Maybe they could dock the Chief's retirement account?

                                        • conductr

                                          today at 7:50 PM

                                          Should be a “cut and dry” decision just like how he described the arrest

                                      • p_j_w

                                        today at 7:48 PM

                                        The chief of police stands proudly by his decision. This will happen again.

                                    • coderintherye

                                      today at 7:33 PM

                                      Somewhat similar premise to the recent settlement that came out for the man arrested for posting a meme in Tennessee https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a-tennessee-man-was-ja...

                                      • rolph

                                        today at 7:48 PM

                                        upon inspection of images pertaining to water at the point of usage, i declare said water to be Alaskan well water.

                                        use a 5micron, and 1micron particulate filter in series, and it looks like it came from a bottle.

                                        you would be well advised to test for heavy metals, esp. arsenic

                                        most people here dont use softening or reverse osmosis

                                        • thekingshorses

                                          today at 7:36 PM

                                          This week, there was two different settlement close to $800K related to someone posting and getting arrested about what charlie kirk said.

                                          This woman shouldn't settle for anything less.

                                        • vsgherzi

                                          today at 7:18 PM

                                          This is dumb af. There should be an extremely small subset of things you can say online that get you arrested. This is definitely not one of them. I hope she she’s and it’s sets a precedent for cases after. I’d hate to see a ruling like the UK. While is vervently disagree with some of the awful things they post they shouldn’t be arrested for it.

                                          • mvdtnz

                                            today at 7:02 PM

                                            How does a town in the richest nation in the history of the planet not have the resources to get clear drinking water flowing through their taps?

                                              • beAbU

                                                today at 7:05 PM

                                                Presumably because they are spending their money prosecuting people complaining about bad water.

                                                Money does not grow on trees, you know!

                                                • umvi

                                                  today at 7:06 PM

                                                  Water is handled at the city level, not the federal level. If you have incompetent local leadership, this can happen. Incompetent local leaders can (and have!) bankrupted their cities.

                                                    • azinman2

                                                      today at 7:11 PM

                                                      Texas also is all about no/low taxes.

                                                        • SJMG

                                                          today at 7:20 PM

                                                          You must not own property in Texas

                                                          • nxm

                                                            today at 7:38 PM

                                                            Meanwhile in Flint Michigan…

                                                    • scoofy

                                                      today at 7:28 PM

                                                      >How can X in the richest nation in the history of the planet be...

                                                      I've honestly grown absolutely sick of this type of comment as I get older. If you're not from the states, it's maybe understandable, but throughout my life most of the folks with me on the left that make these statements are completely ignorant of how their own government works and just assume "shit should be taken care of" without actually having to put any work in. It drives me crazy.

                                                      The vast majority of our electorate doesn't pay attention to politics, and then votes for feel-good measures (often very expensive), and almost universally avoid actual long-term net positive investments, like urban density and avoiding bond issuances wherever they are impractical.

                                                      As you see small towns welcoming -- even courting -- data centers while everyone in the town hates and protests them... yea, it's almost certainly because the town is broke, and the only folks who realize it are the city officials.

                                                      >How does a town ... not have the resources to get clear drinking water flowing through their taps?

                                                      Many, many, many, towns in America functionally insolvent! The amount of cost it takes to maintain our road/sewer/water/refuse/emergency/energy systems is very often more than the tax revenue that the town can bring in. This is literally the entire point of the Strong Towns organization: https://www.strongtowns.org/about

                                                      Rebuilding a water system is one of the most significant municipal finance events that a city will have to deal with, and more and more cities across the nation are requiring federal bailouts; e.g., the Jackson, Mississippi water crisis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson,_Mississippi,_water_cr....

                                                      It's just so frustrating as someone who cares about municipal finances that American cities' sustainability that most people think that it's just supposed to work itself out when cities are just lighting money on fires... often to the cheers of the electorate who voted for it.

                                                      • autoexec

                                                        today at 7:17 PM

                                                        We have more than enough resources, but a lot of people don't want to pay taxes to clean it or restrain corporations from polluting our water supply inn the first place. I'm guessing that plenty of people in this woman's own town were cheering Trump's slashing of the EPA's budget and deregulating clean air and water. Just this week the administration announced plans to kill off or delay limits in the amount of PFAS in the drinking water. They argue it's too expensive to limit or filter the poison but then give no-bid contracts out to their unqualified friends for tens of millions of dollars and spend a trillion bombing other countries for no reason so it's pretty clear where the priorities are and it isn't with us.

                                                        • balderdash

                                                          today at 7:18 PM

                                                          complete and utter incompetence by local elected officials. If one of the richest towns in America (average home price of >$2m) can do it - just imagine how bad it can be in "average" towns...

                                                          https://observer.com/2010/07/the-collapse-of-east-hampton-ho...

                                                          • dfxm12

                                                            today at 7:24 PM

                                                            The country is the richest, but the money is not distributed equally. One factor to keep in mind is that the state would rather give the richest man in the world tax breaks rather than make sure everyone has safe drinking water.

                                                            • queenkjuul

                                                              today at 7:13 PM

                                                              Cuz all that wealth belongs to about 14 people and everyone else gets police harassment and poison water

                                                              • stefantalpalaru

                                                                today at 7:49 PM

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                                                            • SilverElfin

                                                              today at 6:33 PM

                                                              The craziest part is the police defending this action as a “cut and dry” case. Meanwhile the lawsuit this woman just filed will hurt taxpayers and not the corrupt city officials and police that caused this. We need to ban all forms of immunity - none for cops, politicians, or judges. They need to be personally liable for their actions.

                                                                • thot_experiment

                                                                  today at 6:39 PM

                                                                  It's absolutely not the slightest bit crazy if you've paid attention to how cops behave at any point in the last history of the country. 100% agree about personal responsibility. You must understand that when the cops says that oversight means they can't do their job, that means they view their job as bullying, harassing and killing citizens, so yea, we should put a stop to that. 1312

                                                                    • ggoo

                                                                      today at 6:55 PM

                                                                      > It's absolutely not the slightest bit crazy

                                                                      Imo, speaking like this normalizes their behavior - it was crazy then and it's crazy now.

                                                                        • p_j_w

                                                                          today at 7:50 PM

                                                                          GP isn’t entirely wrong, our governing apparatus has made this something to be expected.

                                                                      • Bender

                                                                        today at 6:56 PM

                                                                        I will not put the blame on the bobbies, that's too convenient. Someone had to order them to do this. That's who needs to be permanently ousted from all levels of government and their voting rights rescinded.

                                                                          • abofh

                                                                            today at 7:02 PM

                                                                            Nobody has to order people to do anything if it's in their self interest. Yes corruption flows downhill, but until they flip, just following orders isn't a defense.

                                                                              • Bender

                                                                                today at 7:28 PM

                                                                                Just following orders of course does not excuse anyone but I would rather not play whack-a-mole. That is how they expect us to play "The Game" by throwing one of their tools under the bus.

                                                                                I prefer to work my way up the chain of command first and find the head(s) of the snake. Sure, punish the cops but don't let their corrupt chain of command play The Game otherwise we all just lost and the problem just repeats.

                                                                            • queenkjuul

                                                                              today at 7:03 PM

                                                                              Lmao no this is just American police chiefs doing what they love to do, guarantee this whole thing starts and ends in that PD

                                                                                • Bender

                                                                                  today at 7:21 PM

                                                                                  From the PDF looks like Trinidad City Councilwoman Marie Bannister and Trinidad Police Chief Charles W. Gregory, may have started this. The Texas governor [1] needs to start pruning both up and down from there.

                                                                                  [1] - https://gov.texas.gov/

                                                                          • Rekindle8090

                                                                            today at 6:55 PM

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                                                                            • queenkjuul

                                                                              today at 7:02 PM

                                                                              [redacted] all police but don't pretend it isn't crazy. Not every country is like this.

                                                                          • Bilal_io

                                                                            today at 6:37 PM

                                                                            I hear you, but there has to be some balance between full immunity and no immunity at all. The one thing that comes to mind is rich and powerful people, because they have unlimited resources to sue and ruin the lives of cops, judges and politicians, which would lead to these officials avoiding to hold rich and powerful individuals accountable even when they have committed crimes.

                                                                              • ben_w

                                                                                today at 6:41 PM

                                                                                I'm not a lawyer, but what you're describing sounds to me like an example of strategic lawsuits against public participation, just where the targeted "public" isn't a member of the general public but a public servant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_publ...

                                                                                • mcdonje

                                                                                  today at 6:51 PM

                                                                                  "would"? There is currently a disparity in how rich and poor people are policed.

                                                                                  I get the point that there should be some limited immunity so they can do their jobs. Debatable, but worth the debate.

                                                                                  The argument about the repercussions of eliminating immunity is logical. It just seems like one of those things where there are multiple factors contributing to undesirable outcomes, and that makes it necessary to talk to experts.

                                                                                  • jghn

                                                                                    today at 7:09 PM

                                                                                    These lawsuits need to be charged against the police pension funds, not the city coffers

                                                                                      • Bilal_io

                                                                                        today at 7:12 PM

                                                                                        I agree with you

                                                                                    • thot_experiment

                                                                                      today at 6:43 PM

                                                                                      You're so close! Instead of patching the issue maybe let's solve the root problem of spiky power distribution among humans. We don't need to make sure cops have immunity to prosecute powerful people. We need to not have powerful people.

                                                                                      (though realistically speaking yes there's probably some level of procedural immunity that probably makes sense, similarly with business bankruptcies not ruining the people who start the business)

                                                                                        • Ar-Curunir

                                                                                          today at 6:51 PM

                                                                                          I agree with you, but most people aren’t ready to engage with basic anarchist arguments

                                                                                            • thot_experiment

                                                                                              today at 7:29 PM

                                                                                              I don't know if anarchy helps in this situation, I actually think you need robust social systems with buy in from citizens to prevent the natural accumulation of power. The fundamental problem is that there's a diminishing cost to acquiring power as you acquire power, this relationship should be inverted. The more powerful you are the harder it should be to get more powerful.

                                                                                              This is basic engineering, you don't want runaway feedback loops, the underlying system is unstable so we need a control system.

                                                                                          • p1esk

                                                                                            today at 6:58 PM

                                                                                            We need to not have powerful people

                                                                                            What does this even mean?

                                                                                              • thot_experiment

                                                                                                today at 7:26 PM

                                                                                                It's very easy to get started on this, you tax the shit out of people who have a lot of money because the old adage is true.

                                                                                                • queenkjuul

                                                                                                  today at 7:05 PM

                                                                                                  Make currently powerful people less powerful and currently powerless people more powerful.

                                                                                                  C'mon, HN users forgot how to think? Forgot to ask Claude?

                                                                                      • rightbyte

                                                                                        today at 6:36 PM

                                                                                        Exactly which types of politicians, judges etc would be targeted by liability do you think? The unrighteous politicians? The judges in favour of those in power?

                                                                                          • SilverElfin

                                                                                            today at 7:52 PM

                                                                                            I mean that when someone files a lawsuit to defend their civil/constitutional rights and wins, the penalty must be paid by the offenders and not taxpayers. For example the police who made the arrest and their supervisors.

                                                                                        • nozzlegear

                                                                                          today at 6:41 PM

                                                                                          In my experience (I sued my town for violating my first amendment rights), the city will have insurance that will cover any damages or settlement they have to pay. Their premiums will likely go up, but the impact to taxpayers is probably minimal.

                                                                                          • casey2

                                                                                            today at 6:44 PM

                                                                                            Even making them pay their own lawsuit insurance premiums would be enough to stop 90% of abuse.

                                                                                            No change will happen until cities stop using police revenue for discretionary spending.

                                                                                            • thinkingtoilet

                                                                                              today at 6:40 PM

                                                                                              Just more actions from free speech loving Republicans. Exactly like that guy in Tennessee who got $800k.

                                                                                              • z3c0

                                                                                                today at 7:30 PM

                                                                                                Nazi Germany wasn't chaos, just a lot of people following "cut-and-dry" protocol.

                                                                                            • nadermx

                                                                                              today at 6:21 PM

                                                                                              Imagine the town of flynt getting arrested for having your government fail you.

                                                                                              • 6stringmerc

                                                                                                today at 6:29 PM

                                                                                                Not surprised. Tarrant County told the US Marshals my styrofoam cooler with vomit in it was a “bomb threat” and charged me with use of a DEADLY WEAPON. Honestly. If my public defender hadn’t colluded with the Prosecution it wouldn’t be on my record today.

                                                                                                This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better in the US. I’m a nonviolent cripple. Meanwhile a pardoned Jan 6 rioter just told a City Counsel “they should be strung up” and isn’t even being charged. Totally depends what team you’re on right now.

                                                                                                  • vjvjvjvjghv

                                                                                                    today at 6:33 PM

                                                                                                    "Meanwhile a pardoned Jan 6 rioter just told a City Counsel “they should be strung up” and isn’t even being charged."

                                                                                                    A great candidate to get some money from the lawfare fund.

                                                                                                • bfkwlfkjf

                                                                                                  today at 6:29 PM

                                                                                                  Land of the free

                                                                                                    • nozzlegear

                                                                                                      today at 6:38 PM

                                                                                                      This is newsworthy because it's a clear and flagrant violation of her rights.

                                                                                                      Source: I was threatened with a lawsuit by my own town for criticizing them online, but the ACLU helped me counter sue and win a settlement for violating my first amendment rights.

                                                                                                        • poly2it

                                                                                                          today at 6:44 PM

                                                                                                          Was the comment you are replying to edited?

                                                                                                      • nxm

                                                                                                        today at 7:40 PM

                                                                                                        Yea compared to Europe where you get arrested for memes

                                                                                                        • vjvjvjvjghv

                                                                                                          today at 6:32 PM

                                                                                                          I assume you mean "Land of the fee"

                                                                                                          • markoman

                                                                                                            today at 7:25 PM

                                                                                                            'Equal Justice Under Law'

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                                                                                                              • 6stringmerc

                                                                                                                today at 6:30 PM

                                                                                                                World Cup Tourists about to get some “civic lessons” if they buy that too much, mmmhmmm.

                                                                                                            • pstuart

                                                                                                              today at 7:03 PM

                                                                                                              This is a textbook free speech issue, versus not being able to post your conspiracy theory on some web site which has nothing to do with free speech.

                                                                                                                • Lionga

                                                                                                                  today at 7:49 PM

                                                                                                                  Who decideds what is free speech and what is a conspiracy theory?

                                                                                                                  For a long time saying tabaco creates lung cancers was basically a conspiracy theory and saying it is healthy was free speech.

                                                                                                              • joshuafuller

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                                                                                                                        • stouset

                                                                                                                          today at 6:33 PM

                                                                                                                          I would imagine it’s hard to be reminded of things that didn’t actually occur.

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                                                                                                                              today at 6:37 PM

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                                                                                                                                • stouset

                                                                                                                                  today at 6:52 PM

                                                                                                                                  Indeed the brainwashing is still alive and well.

                                                                                                                                  It’s been five years since multiple COVID-19 vaccines have been widely available and administered worldwide, and just about the worst common side effects have been a small risk of mild, self-resolving myocarditis in mRNA vaccines and an increased risk of clotting for adenoviral vector vaccines which have been either discontinued or fallen out of use.

                                                                                                                                  Past those, there have been rare (~5 per million doses) cases of Guillain-Barré or anaphylaxis, but those are broadly in line with risk profiles for other vaccines.

                                                                                                                                  Despite repeated insistence from chronically-online nutjobs, the sky has not fallen, and the well-known, well-published, and well-studied risks of these vaccines remain drastically lower than the risks of actually contracting the disease they inhibit. Which is the whole goddamn point.

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                                                                                                                                  • galangalalgol

                                                                                                                                    today at 6:49 PM

                                                                                                                                    To make it more explicit. Censorship is always bad. There is no censorship for the good of the people. If fewer people had gotten vaccines because we didn't censor claims it was dangerous, maybe more people would have died. Maybe hospitals would have shut down from crowding. We can't know for sure. But because that was censored, amongst other things, the trust in government dropped even lower. This in turn is allowing populists from both parties to win and local state and national levels. Populists always hurt the economy and damage individual freedoms. There is no substitute for trust, and it is a generational project to rebuild it. Censorship of any speech errodes it and harms all of us more than letting people who are probably wrong speak.

                                                                                                                                    • thinkingtoilet

                                                                                                                                      today at 6:41 PM

                                                                                                                                      Provide proof of someone getting arrested for a social media post.

                                                                                                                                        • userbinator

                                                                                                                                          today at 6:46 PM

                                                                                                                                          Did the ones posting about the water provide "proof" also?

                                                                                                                                          • queenkjuul

                                                                                                                                            today at 7:08 PM

                                                                                                                                            Rtfa

                                                                                                                                        • nilslindemann

                                                                                                                                          today at 6:45 PM

                                                                                                                                          Lying is not free speech.

                                                                                                                                            • GaryBluto

                                                                                                                                              today at 6:58 PM

                                                                                                                                              It very much is.

                                                                                                                                                • nilslindemann

                                                                                                                                                  today at 7:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                  It may be a necessary mechanism to prevent harm, but it is not free speech. Whenever you are lying you are not a free being, because you need to invest a part of your energy to uphold the lie.

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                                                                                                                                    • gdulli

                                                                                                                                      today at 6:36 PM

                                                                                                                                      We should call this obsession "longest Covid". Certain people will be on this until they die.

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                                                                                                                                    • markoman

                                                                                                                                      today at 6:58 PM

                                                                                                                                      This type of treatment of citizenry by the State of Texas, and its various (and especially red) localities should be all one needs to see of where conservatives (and Christian Naitonalism) will take our country in the future -- should they get their way. Republicans hope to enable just such a future by scaring Americans with made-up visions of transsexuals 'grooming' their children, yet they cleverly hide what awaits behind the curtain. The is the same curtain that hides why Israel is supposed to be so very, very important to the U.S. but not so much that we make them state #51. This is the magical (read: Biblical) rationale that the U.S. makes excuses for Israel's attack on its own USS Liberty in 1967.

                                                                                                                                      Saying nothing of the future of abortion & contraception, U.S. conservatives base their worldview on sexuality & reproduction and seek to burden it with fixtures that we have already spent hundreds of year to free ourselves from. At the same time, they take their eye off the ball of keeping our country competitive in the world. How embarrassing it is now to have the Chinese president suggest that the U.S. is in decline and that it shouldn't get caught in a Thucydides Trap.

                                                                                                                                      Yet, that is where Trump has put us indeed.

                                                                                                                                      • today at 7:29 PM