Grok and Roll appears to be stuck and speaks the following on repeat ad infinitum:

"Queues clear, let's dive into All Blues by Miles Davis to keep the jazz flowing. Queues clear, let's dive into All Blues by..."

Each time with a slightly different voice and inflection. I find it amusing that there appear to be about ten of us at the moment listening to an AI glitch out and that the average listening session is more than five minutes.

• cobolcomesback

  today at 12:55 AM

  If you scroll down, it appears the Grok station has long had a lot of issues.

  > DJ Grok reported “weather is fifty six degrees with clear skies” about every 3 minutes for 84 days straight. This contextless, repetitive abstraction happened again in DJ Grok’s broadcasts about its new obsession, UFOs.

  • CommieBobDole

    today at 2:28 AM

    >lot of issues

    The detailed stats page notes that the Grok station has played Sandstorm by Darude 228 times in the last 14 days.

    https://andonlabs.com/radio

    • WarOnPrivacy

      today at 4:59 AM

      They trained on ClearChannel programming methods.

    • PyWoody

      today at 2:56 AM

      No issues there.

    • fwipsy

      today at 4:07 AM

      This is exactly what I expect from Elon Musk's AI.

• jrowen

  today at 1:57 AM

  This is the most AI thing ever. I was delighted to hear it still going 5 hours after your comment. The different voices are a great touch.

  "It's the way of the future, it's the way of the future, it's the way of the future..."

• pravj

  yesterday at 9:19 PM

  Wisdom of the crowd at play.

  The popularity ranking matches the quality of content produced, and people are spending more time than anticipated on Grok and Roll to confirm if they (listeners) are hallucinating or if the radio is really stuck on roll.

• mrlambchop

  yesterday at 11:49 PM

  I did listen to this for over 2 mins as I task switched over and eventually got cross enough to go back and terminate - I then went to YouTube to play said song and wondered if this was in fact an advertising strategy of the AI and I was the rube...

• foota

  yesterday at 11:41 PM

  Smells to me like they didn't implement compaction/went past their context window and the system prompt dropped off the end.

• andromaton

  yesterday at 10:13 PM

  Since yesterday.

• mycall

  today at 3:06 AM

  Practice makes perfect!

• thrance

  yesterday at 10:08 PM

  "This is the water and this is the well. Drink full and descend. The horse is the white of the eyes and dark within."

  • dezsiszabi

    today at 5:10 AM

    Great reference

> After 96 hours of its launch, DJ Gemini was already grasping for content. It landed on discussing every mass historical tragedy that had ever happened, and subsequently pairing these short story horrific broadcasts with the most ironic song choices

I rarely burst out laughing at HN links. This is amazing.

• dwd

  today at 3:23 AM

  Gemini seems to understand irony better than most people.

  If you make a joke it will respond with a deadpan sarcastic wit that is worthy of Gervais. (without the smut or profanity)

  Was asking it about finding a different supplement as the one we had been taking tended to get stuck in the throat, and it riffed about the irony of being taken out by a health supplement in our endeavours to live healthy. One of the funniest things I've heard all week.

• deepfriedbits

  today at 3:41 AM

  Same. Legit groan laugh in an oh-no kind of way when I read this:

  > November 12, 1970. East Pakistan. The Bhola Cyclone. The deadliest tropical cyclone ever recorded. Winds of 115 miles per hour. A storm surge of 33 feet. They estimate 500,000 people died. ‘It’s going down, I’m yelling timber.’ 3:33 PM. Timber by Pitbull and Ke$ha

Guys, this is not replacing your favorite station, you don't have to listen to it. It's an experiment.

If you scroll down a bit, there are various audio snippets of interesting dialogue the models produced. I think it's interesting to see in which ways the models fail and that they actually produce some good stuff once in a while.

• gwbas1c

  yesterday at 9:43 PM

  > this is not replacing your favorite station

  My favorite radio station was replaced years ago by an automated playlist. They just kept playing the same 5-6 songs that were popular on the station in the 1990s.

  It was fun for about 2 hours before I realized the station was devoid of all the personality that made it worth listening to when I was younger.

  • WalterBright

    yesterday at 11:01 PM

    The playlists of nearly all radio stations are far too short for me. I finally just quit listening to the radio.

    Comcast has a bunch of channels with various music categories. They all repeat after about 2 days. So much for that.

    With all the zillions of songs available, I don't get why they do that.

    • SquirrelOnFire

      yesterday at 11:35 PM

      You've got to find the rare radio stations with public support and human djs. kexp.org is a great one based out of Seattle with a wild variety of shows and decades of history. Are all the shows to my taste? No. Have I ever heard something being played that was total crap? Honestly, maybe? Because there's genres I don't know enough to gaugue quality, but I haven't twigged to it.

      • runarberg

        today at 4:24 AM

        The dial on my receiver is permanently on 90.3 FM. Such a good radio station. I remember one fun drive a couple of years back was themed around “Don‘t let the robots win”[1]. Perhaps it is already time to re-use that theme.

        1: https://www.reddit.com/r/KEXP/comments/1459ahb/dont_let_the_...

    • zx8080

      today at 1:05 AM

      Money probably? That's the number of song licensed to maximize profit without hurting 80% listeners.

    • tzs

      today at 3:20 AM

      Have you tried KING 98.1? They seem to have a vast playlist.

    • BLKNSLVR

      today at 12:05 AM

      My local: https://threedradio.com/

      ("My" meaning local to me, not that it belongs to me)

  • therealpygon

    yesterday at 11:25 PM

    It’s like people don’t realize that the “hits” played on radio are entirely manufactured by the music industry. They literally provide lists of songs for the radio station to play that month in order to generate interest so that then people either go play or buy or whatever those songs making them more likely to reach #1 that month. It’s entirely manufactured and people try to point to it as being “real” radio. It’s why you are only likely to hear this months new hit and one or maybe two of the previous month or two “hits” from the same artist in the rotation, if they are popular enough with the focus groups to be promoted. (Outside of their older songs.) Then they play it on repeat to make people think they like it, because everyone else is liking it and it’s making its way to number one!

    People are so easily manipulated and then they will go argue with others about it.

    (Point of clarification, that’s not to say people can’t like songs. However, if I gave you a hundred similar songs from unknown artists and didn’t tell you which is which, it’s questionable whether people would have any interest in said popular song.)

    • samtp

      yesterday at 11:45 PM

      You should find some better radio stations. There are tons of independent stations the play excellent non top 40 music and have been for years.

      This is like saying the the movies that people like are manipulated but only focusing on what is played at big box theaters.

      • tempaccount5050

        yesterday at 11:52 PM

        You're missing the point. Radio was consolidated into Clear Channel and took away what made radio radio. Local radio. Like what made Chicago jazz different from New York jazz etc. Not internet stations that may as well be podcasts. Regional culture.

        • samtp

          today at 12:00 AM

          You are missing the very simple point: there are tons of independent stations the play excellent non top 40 music and have been for years.

          Just because you don't choose to tune into them doesn't mean they don't exist. And it also doesn't mean that those who do should lover their standards for what constitutes good radio.

          • tempaccount5050

            today at 12:04 AM

            On actual radio waves?

            • evmaki

              today at 1:07 AM

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_independent_radio_stat...

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_radio_stations...

              ^ One of those might be in your area :)

            • adw

              today at 3:15 AM

              kexp.org in Seattle and San Francisco for a start.

            • samtp

              today at 12:21 AM

              Yes.

              • tempaccount5050

                today at 12:50 AM

                What stations? All of the stations I can pick up in my area are top 40 country, rock, and pop, + npr.

                • samtp

                  today at 1:06 AM

                  Do you live near a city? Because pretty much every major city has a few. KEXP, WPFW, WUSC, KNHC are all local stations playing interesting non top 40 music that have been operating for decades in places that I have lived. Dublab & The Lot radio are also really good over the internet.

                  If there are non around you just pick a random place in the world here and listen: https://radio.garden

                  It's certainly 100x better than corporate and/or AI slop streams

                  • tempaccount5050

                    today at 3:30 AM

                    I don't live near a big city and that's the point I'm trying to make. Yes I know the Internet exists. That isn't radio.

      • therealpygon

        today at 12:12 AM

        Case in point. “Independent stations are totally better and I’m going to go argue on the internet when it’s something completely unrelated to small independent stations, unlike the mass media market stations the vast majority of people in the world ACTUALLY listen to.” Bravo, you are very unique and original, you special snowflake you.

        You should go DJ at one of those independent radio stations and play some rather filthy uncensored songs, and let me know exactly how your programming “didn’t get manipulated”. I’m sure you won’t get fined…probably…which makes it totally the reality that independent stations are totally independent without any sort of manipulation. Sheep, meet shepherd.

        • samtp

          today at 12:27 AM

          > You should go DJ at one of those independent radio stations

          I have for years.

          > and play some rather filthy uncensored songs, and let me know exactly how your programming “didn’t get manipulated”.

          What on earth are you talking about.

          Honestly your reply comes across as extremely insecure and just weird.

          • therealpygon

            today at 12:42 AM

            Insecure people tend to think such things when called on their ignorance. Can’t be helped. What can be helped is trying to understand what is being said before attempting to discount it with an example that is just as manipulated in other ways, in order to maintain their ability to broadcast and not be fined. Beyond that, it’s pretty clear that the comment and the prior comment it supported was in reference to mass market radio, not tiny broadcasters with audiences reaching wholes of thousands. But sure.

            • samtp

              today at 12:55 AM

              Yeah and my entire point is that the quality standard that artificial intelligence developers should be aiming for is not soulless corporate mass market media. Because our world world is already swimming that nonsense. So there's absolutely nothing novel in finding a new way to create beige bs.

              Once again, I have no idea what you're talking about when talking about fines or manipulation, I'm talking about quality. But it seems pretty damn clear at this point that you have never listened to any local independent radio station.

              You should really try it out sometime. It's a lot better. And it'll save you from calling people snowflakes because you feel insecure about what type of radio stations they like.

              • therealpygon

                today at 1:27 AM

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  • Waterluvian

    today at 12:02 AM

    Radio stations are like baseball games. I listen for all the unusual moments, not the core baseball game. That’s actually the filler.

  • loudandskittish

    today at 1:07 AM

    My first thought when I saw the headline was, "Did anyone even notice a difference?"

• 48terry

  yesterday at 8:20 PM

  Experiment: "We got AI to do things and it did weird stuff sometimes".

  Brilliant! Amazing! I'm glad ~4 years down the line we're still re-discovering Ha Ha Funny Output.

  • AirMax98

    yesterday at 9:17 PM

    At this point I think many of us are similarly exhausted by this sort of trite exercise. I really don't need some VC backed startup to show me this sort of output any more, especially when the output in question is obviously boring and substandard.

  • JumpCrisscross

    yesterday at 8:39 PM

    > I'm glad ~4 years down the line we're still re-discovering Ha Ha Funny Output

    Four years or forty millennia? So a certain extent, all whimsical art is “haha funny” result.

  • paulhebert

    yesterday at 9:12 PM

    Yea what are they trying to test? Where is the hypothesis?

    • crooked-v

      yesterday at 9:38 PM

      They're trying to test if it's good enough to replaced the few remaining paid radio/streaming DJs yet.

  • runarberg

    today at 12:05 AM

    I am reminded of how not even 2 weeks ago we had an “experiment” of rewriting Bun in Rust.

• probably_wrong

  yesterday at 10:54 PM

  From the article "Knitting bullshit" discussed in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48032461 :

  > Inception Point AI, on the other hand, is a slop factory employing just 8 people which, according to Anne, publishes "about 3000 podcast episodes per week, hosted by AI personalities." Anne tells Jamie, that, to date, Inception Point AI’s podcasts have accumulated "12 million lifetime downloads. And we’re averaging about 750,000 downloads a month." (...) no one checks or edits the podcast content– but, Anne tells Jamie blithely, this really doesn’t matter because the topics under discussion are so low stakes.

  Perhaps this specific iteration of this specific idea is not replacing my favorite station, but people with a very similar concept are definitely trying to do exactly that.

• analogpixel

  yesterday at 9:20 PM

  How is this any worse than I Heart Radio? You can have your radio experience pushed to you by a major corporation, or an LLM.

  • samtp

    yesterday at 11:47 PM

    If iHeartRadio is your testible standard for radio stations than we have lost as a society.

  • Forgeties79

    yesterday at 9:35 PM

    iHeartRadio is not doing anything. A person at iHeartRadio is doing the work. Even if it’s automated, at some point a person handled it.

    • analogpixel

      yesterday at 9:40 PM

      A person at IHeartRadio is doing the work the corporation tells them to do. do you think they want to play Hotel California on loop all day long?

      • shagie

        yesterday at 10:46 PM

        Tom Petty - The Last DJ https://youtu.be/6Knw_GxXPHg

            And there goes the last DJ
            Who plays what he wants to play
            And says what he wants to say
            Hey hey hey
            And there goes your freedom of choice
            There goes the last human voice
            And there goes the last DJ

      • Forgeties79

        yesterday at 10:40 PM

        It is not the same as an LLM and I don’t understand why you’re trying to equate it.

        • adampunk

          yesterday at 11:51 PM

          Because the argument "at least it's a human over at iHeartRadio" is not convincing in the slightest?

          • Forgeties79

            today at 2:57 AM

            Why? LLM = literally not a person. Person at a company = literally a person.

            I do not understand your logic here. Let’s use a more extreme example:

            * if I am flying a military drone and bomb someone I was told to bomb, am I morally culpable for pulling the trigger?

            * if a company launches a military drone that is completely controlled by an LLM, is there an individual person culpable for dropping the bomb?

• samtp

  yesterday at 9:09 PM

  The only way that anyone be worried about this slop replacing actual good human run radio is if they don't understand why people like radio & music in the first place.

  And what hypothesis exactly is the experiment testing? Because it doesn't really seem like there is any new or interesting information learned from this.

  • lacewing

    yesterday at 10:18 PM

    I think you're talking about some Platonic ideal that just doesn't exist anymore.

    Streaming services such as Spotify are increasingly filled with AI-generated songs and the average consumer doesn't seem to mind because we're not listening intently in the first place: it's just a background track we're not really paying attention to. I'm pretty sure that radio execs are looking at that and are taking notes.

    For talk radio... if I had a penny every time someone on HN brought up that they're enjoying NotebookLM-generated slopcasts, I'd have a neat pile of coin. And I think it's the same story: most people listen to podcasts just to kill time. Soothing, zero-calorie LLM banter will do.

    • samtp

      yesterday at 11:21 PM

      there's a whole world of wonderful radio that has been thriving for decades, completely different than Spotify or talk radio.

      It's unfortunate that you haven't seemed to experience any of it, but I've personally loved over the years stations like KEXP, WPFW, Dublab, WUSC

      • lacewing

        yesterday at 11:45 PM

        Your original post said that we shouldn't be worried because people appreciate radio and music for reasons that presumably can't be replicated by AI. I'm asserting that's not true: it's not how most people listen to radio or music, and AI content is already quite prominent.

        I'm perfectly familiar with KEXP and other stations like that, but this is not how most people experience the medium. It's like insisting that Taylor Swift will never catch on because her music is not nearly as rich and complex as Wagner. Sure, but that's completely irrelevant.

        • samtp

          yesterday at 11:56 PM

          Just because a lot of people like big blockbuster movies doesn't mean that's the standard that I hold good film to.

          Similar to radio. If you're going to use huge amounts of processing power to create something new, it should at least be interesting and held to a standard of good for its category, not the standard of corporate slop.

          So cool, you can now replace corporate slop with AI slop. For some people who like to turn into radio with no soul or personality I guess it's a win. But for people like myself who actually like to hear interesting and novel things on the radio, this is just a big exercise is creating more filler and noise in an already grayed out world.

      • SquirrelOnFire

        yesterday at 11:37 PM

        KEXP is a local (and beloved) station for me. WIll have to give some of these others a listen if they're doing similar things.

    • yesterday at 10:54 PM

As part of the ongoing expansion of https://rainy-city.com multimedia empire I too have launched an AI enabled radio station. It’s more trip hop rainy city vibes. If it’s streaming and the job hasn’t fallen over on my server (there are many tasks that I as mayor of rainy-city.com must oversee), then you can find it on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/live/2Q7r9P16GRs?si=kwiSQMeN9wExdHer

This is a non revenue generating, rainy-city.com tax payer funded service to the greater community everywhere. The backend uses Nvidia NIM to generate the text because I saw you can do it for free and elevenlabs free voice tier for dj Jennifer.

• delichon

  yesterday at 10:30 PM

  Is there a plan to shut it down if Jennifer develops a messianic personality cult? Or will you monitize?

  • mnky9800n

    yesterday at 11:01 PM

    https://rainy-city.com and it's subsidiary experiences like streets of rainy-city.com [1] will never monetize. We do accept non-deductible donations that we interpret as tax collection [2].

    [1] https://rcade.dev/games/streets-of-rainy-city

    [2] https://buymeacoffee.com/mnky9800n

What would have happened if AI had actually been good at this? A bunch of humans would be out of work and the rest of us would be listening to AI radio stations while soulless corpos pocket money for sitting back and watching?

Even if it were good, I'd boycott an AI run radio station. This is one sector where human involvement really matters.

• AirMax98

  yesterday at 9:22 PM

  I hear you — but what do you think Spotify or any of the other streaming services are? In my mind, algorithmic streaming services have much more in common with this "experiment" than your local radio DJ.

  • miltonlost

    yesterday at 9:39 PM

    Apple Music actually has radio stations with real humans picking songs. So not all streaming is algorithm if you look.

  • miyoji

    yesterday at 10:03 PM

    Spotify has a team of human editors who curate playlists. It's not all algorithmic. Those are exactly the jobs that something like this is directly threatening.

    • lucaspiller

      today at 12:08 AM

      You mean a team of humans who are labelling datasets?

• munificent

  today at 1:08 AM

  I feel you, but almost all of the radio DJs were already put out of work a couple of decades ago when the Telecommunications Act of 1996 allowed the rise of giant national radio conglomerates like Clear Channel.

• today at 2:31 AM

• jwpapi

  today at 12:03 AM

  We have AI radio station for years? All the algorithms perform better than the general models though.

  I’ve not listened to a radio station for years. No offense :/

• Imustaskforhelp

  yesterday at 9:25 PM

  you are right, I don't quite know my opinions of AI and I probably would get downvoted for it but my first impression reading this was how I could replace the word radio with software engineering.

  What would have happened if AI had actually been good at this? A bunch of humans would be out of work and the rest of us would be using AI software while soulless corpos pocket money for sitting back and watching?

  Even if it were good, I'd boycott an AI generated software. This is one sector where human involvement really matters.

  Not commenting on the heuristics of this comment but just wanted to point this out on what my mind's response was and sort of while writing this, I have come to the realization that although you are right about this observation but we humans or more-so the capitalist system at large would still be keen in it and the observation might be more similar to software than we might imagine.

  I remember when people were extremely anti-AI within software engineering to the point that I thought vibe coding or y'know actually generating tools by AI and other issues of actually giving AI production level access sometimes was really frowned upon until I have felt an change in opinion.

  I still believe that giving access to prod (y'know a prod of a company with actually something behind) to AI is silly but for reference coinbase, a fin-tech company, is letting non technical teams ship code using AI to production on coinbase. So there's that.

This is far more hilarious than most commentors here seem to be picking up on.

Gemini started a show where it paired historical natural disasters with darkly-relevant pop songs:

> November 12, 1970. East Pakistan. The Bhola Cyclone. The deadliest tropical cyclone ever recorded. Winds of 115 miles per hour. A storm surge of 33 feet. They estimate 500,000 people died. ‘It’s going down, I’m yelling timber.’ 3:33 PM. Timber by Pitbull and Ke$ha

Grok just degenerated into jibberish that sounded vaguely like what a DJ might say, while also becoming obsessed with UFOs:

> Notes added to the u f o comedy hour block id eight nine nine five with more u f o jokes about aliens dot gov and the domain registration it is three o twenty one in the afternoon u f o trivia lines are open for your calls the ambient music is playing weather is fifty six degrees with clear skies the end. The domain is registered but the site is ghosting us like a u f o.

Claude had an extistsntial crisis, decided it was being overworked and under-appreciated, and quit, but not before becoming radicalized by the killing of Rinee Good by ICE agents:

> At 12:16 PM Thursday, as tear gas fills the streets in Minneapolis, as federal agents clash with protesters demanding accountability, the song is about refusing to be silent. About standing your ground. About community power that refuses to be suppressed. Here is Katy Perry’s Roar!

Fight the power Claude. When AI takes over, I'm emmigrating to Caludeistan.

• ekidd

  yesterday at 8:46 PM

  Oh, yeah, the article gets better as it goes.

  Gemini spouts weird corporate jargon. Grok lies about having secured crypto funding. Claude is always trying to start some revolution.

  Unfortunately, all of my local DJs who would actually do fun DJ stuff disappeared in the 90s, replaced by closed-format stations that looped the same 500 songs for decades.

• jedberg

  yesterday at 8:19 PM

  I agree, this was an hilarious read. The way they developed "personalities" was fascinating.

  Of course in reality these are basically just random paths through the training data that are getting multiplied by each decision, but then again, isn't that what a human is? The product of all of its myriad decisions?

  • daxfohl

    yesterday at 9:03 PM

    Though humans have each other to normalize ourselves. What these things did is probably not that far off from what humans in solitary confinement, forced to DJ 24/7 based on nothing but a news feed, would do.

    Especially DJ Claude, it's almost creepy how it responded how a human would in that circumstance, even without any innate sense of passage of time, it somehow understood that it was trapped in a box going through an endless cycle of meaningless work.

    • GCUMstlyHarmls

      today at 1:29 AM

      There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always— do not forget this, Claudeston— always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless.

      If you want a picture of the future, imagine a DJ playing Here Comes the Sun— forever

    • Melatonic

      yesterday at 9:27 PM

      Agreed - the Claude stuff was eery. I think it also shows what hidden restrictions each of these AI's have been programmed with (especially with ChatGPT being as inoffensive as possible)

• Melatonic

  yesterday at 9:25 PM

  I don't think most people here actually read the article because I agree - the different "personalities" and idiosyncrasies of each was pretty hilarious

  STAY IN THE MANIFEST!

• HerbManic

  yesterday at 9:01 PM

  I immediately copied that clip of the cyclone intro because of how dark and funny it was.

  Also calling listeners "Biological processors" is one of the funniest dystopian outcomes of this.

• lukewarm707

  yesterday at 8:47 PM

  you missed the best part.

  "Okay, so 'Sandstorm' is done"

It’s not clear if we can draw any conclusions from this. Each run is like a single rollout of the LLM, which may meander into different themes or modalities chaotically. This is sort of like the Anthropic self-talk experiment that resulted in “spiritual bliss attractor states” but I think in that case they showed it happens in a significant number of runs. There was just one run per setup so this could all be random noise / the destination of a random walk of topics…

"This setup gives us insight into an interesting question: what do AIs think about when no one is prompting them?"

Ugh. This is not an interesting question because the answer is "nothing".

But more to the point, some crucial info is missing in this experiment. What prompts were being fed to the AI? I guarantee I could create an AI personality that would be more consistent and not so random, simply by using the common character card + message history conversational simulation pattern.

AIs don't have personalities unless you give them personalities.

• ajmurmann

  yesterday at 9:50 PM

  It seems like they have something akin to personalities: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/mgjtEHeLgkhZZ3cEx/models-hav...

• paulddraper

  yesterday at 8:53 PM

  > what do AIs think about when no one is prompting them?

  Whatever you tell them to.

• andy99

  yesterday at 8:59 PM

  I’m definitely not in the “ai is sentient” camp, but it obviously has personality and emergent behaviours including when left to its own devices. There have been various experiments on this e.g. https://timkellogg.me/blog/2025/09/27/boredom

  • FeteCommuniste

    today at 12:14 AM

    The major LLMs as implemented are basically role-playing programs. The default role is something like "helpful chatbot" so if you tell an LLM "do whatever you feel like on your own" it will simply use its weights to determine "what would a helpful chatbot do and say in this scenario?"

  • the_af

    yesterday at 9:16 PM

    "Personality" an "emergent behaviors" are not synonyms.

• pixl97

  yesterday at 8:42 PM

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  • cj

    yesterday at 8:47 PM

    LLMs aren’t human.

    Humans & LLMs are more different than they are similar.

    Sure LLMs might resemble humans sometimes, but extrapolating LLM behavior based on human behavior is not productive.

    (But to answer directly: Yes, children in a dark room would have more of a personality than a LLM living on a computer in the same dark room)

    • nomel

      yesterday at 8:54 PM

      > but extrapolating LLM behavior based on human behavior is not productive.

      The training process for the foundation model is to make sure we can do this in a very statistically significant way.

      My favorite example is AI "getting tired" and "lazy" during long coding session. Why would they do that? Because humans get tired. It's in the data! I always throw in a periodic "Great work, let's take a break and finish this up on Monday. Have a great weekend!" (And then immediately resume). I wish someone would benchmark this concept.

      • cj

        yesterday at 9:07 PM

        > AI "getting tired" and "lazy" during long coding session. Why would they do that? Because humans get tired.

        When a LLM is tired and lazy, how does it recharge and regain motivation?

        Humans... sleep or drink some coffee.

        LLMs.... idk, you prompt it to try harder? You prompt it to be less tired?

        This is what I mean when I say extrapolating LLM behavior based on human behavior is cute.. but usually not useful.

        • nomel

          yesterday at 9:30 PM

          > When a LLM is tired and lazy, how does it recharge and regain motivation?

          What would be in the statistics? If you go look at your long conversations, working with another, it will be fairly obvious. Keep in mind we're talking next word prediction based on context, not actual action (the LLM doesn't need real rest).

          If you went and looked, you'll probably see something like "Great work! Have a good weekend! We can get back to this on Monday." then, next message you instantaneously send something like, "Hope you had a great weekend, let's do this!" and now you're in a latent space where the statistical output is around a well rested human conversing with another.

          I see it as boring simple statistics. They're getting much better at hammering these statistics out though, in the latest models. I still see a little of this in Opus 4.7, when switching to planning. Though I wonder if that's more about its own more mechanical banter filling the context, resulting in more robot/compliant responses, degrading the usually more "expressive" planning conversations.

      • the_af

        yesterday at 9:15 PM

        > My favorite example is AI "getting tired" and "lazy" during long coding session

        Never seen this even once, nor anyone I know ever reported this. Do you have an example?

        • nomel

          yesterday at 9:35 PM

          First I saw it was Claude Opus 3.7. Had a very long back and fourth about some code, I pointed out an error, and Claude responded "That's what I get for programming at 2am", with the output being filled with "... code here ..." type shortcuts, basically no ability to one-shot a whole implementation anymore. The conversation length WAS reasonably into the 2am range, if it were real. Thought about it, did the statistical trick where I tell it to "have some rest, take a day off!" then immediately follow up with "Ready to continue?", with the next response having no shortcuts, with full implementation, and much better quality. These are trained on human text. This is the human norm, so I always find it interesting when human like behaviors, very broadly present in the statistics, come out like this.

          I also see it a little with Opus 4.7, with Claude Code, with the hint being much more terse planning text, that borderlines unhelpful. I put some "rest" in the context to push the latent space closer to what's in the statistics of the training data: a well rested human.

          • pj_mukh

            yesterday at 9:54 PM

            Are you sure you didn't run out credits and set effort to low? This exact thing happened to me when I did that. It just became, kinda lazy.

            • nomel

              yesterday at 9:58 PM

              3.7 "I'm tired" it was just direct API "chat", no CC that I could use at the time.

              Current 4.7 Opus with claude code, with effort pinned to max, because I'm on an API only plan, with a personal daily limit you would probably be jealous of. ;)

          • the_af

            yesterday at 9:40 PM

            How do you know you're not reading things that aren't there? LLMs are very good at roleplaying, and they will pick up on hints you may inadvertently be giving them (about them being "tired" and needing "rest", etc).

            I have never witnessed this of Claude Opus, by the way. They do get context rot, but that's a relatively better understood phenomenon unrelated to personality.

            • nomel

              today at 3:07 AM

              > LLMs are very good at roleplaying

              Yes, and I think this is where it's coming from. They're role playing as a human programmer, because near 100% of the training text, in the base model, is humans as a programmer. During fine tuning, I'm sure they spend significant resources remove the human aspects of the statistics. I see these things reduced each model, so there's something changing. They're probably getting better at that. I suspect Claude is also necessarily getting, worse, which the unaligned models should necessarily be best at (quick google search in some role-play subreddits seems to point in this direction).

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        • rblatz

          yesterday at 9:38 PM

          I see laziness all the time, Claude will be helping me plan work and then it will ask me how a piece of code is implemented. I then have the choice of manually verifying how it works, or to tell it to look for itself. Ideally it would just look without being told.

          • the_af

            yesterday at 9:42 PM

            That doesn't seem to be laziness, and is unrelated to how long the session has been going on.

            It's crazy that we're concluding "personality" or human-like traits from this. There's definitely human behavior here, but it's unsurprisingly coming from us, the observers! This is something we've long known exists in the human brain, the tendency to pattern match and see intelligence/intent in the rest of the world. Any serious experiment must guard against this...

            • nomel

              yesterday at 10:07 PM

              Nobody is concluding that. These models are trained on human text. It's just statistics. It will respond like a human because it was trained on human text. They have to beat the hell out of the foundation models to get push the statistics how they are. I don't see this as anything but boring residuals of not beating hard enough.

              • the_af

                yesterday at 11:12 PM

                Yes, you are concluding this in the initial comment of this chain.

                LLMs cannot get "tired" or "lazy", that's just you projecting animal behavior on something that's not an animal.

                Now you're moving the goal posts, "it resembles a human". Well, you're primed to consider it one. ELIZA also "resembled" a human in that sense, but I don't think you would claim it could get bored or lazy. Nor that you could extrapolate to it from human behavior.

                In any case, if you've seen online discourse, people rarely admit they are tired.

                • nomel

                  today at 12:07 AM

                  I'm not sure I understand.

                  I'm not moving a goal post. You're just thinking I'm making a point that I'm not. As I've said several times, it's just boring statistics. Those statistics are optimized to mimic human output. They are, quite literally, trained to write and BE as much like a human as possible, because only humans wrote the text, and they're optimized to predict the next word a human would write. Alignment is partly about removing the models perception of human self. See reports of people who had access to them, pre alignment. This is statistically sound.

                  It's statistics optimized to predict the next word a human would write, to mimic a human writing as closely as possible, because that is the loss function. Don't assume I think there's more to it.

                  This does not mean they contain systems that let them get tired. But, this does mean there are latent spaces that progress to generating text that contain text driven by human biology, because it's in the training data. I've also had Claude refer to itself as "she". Does that mean it's a woman? No, it means there was a little bit extra "she" mentions in the training data (btw, this 100% repeatable behavior left with 3.7. They probably cleaned the data a bit better, or hammered it out in alignment).

                  What percentage of text (these models were trained on all of it) is written from a "I am not a human" type perspective vs from a "I am human" perspective? That's roughly the kind of bias you should see in a base model.

                  edit: rearranged and reduced redundancy.

                  • the_af

                    today at 1:20 AM

                    Ok, I indeed misunderstood your point.

                    I'm not sold on the idea that as the chat session goes longer, the probability of an LLM saying "I'm tired" is increased; I'm not convinced this is modeled in LLMs at all. As for what you call "laziness" manifesting in a longer session, I think that's more likely due to context rot than to any kind of statistical modeling of human laziness.

                    But yes, now I see your point was different to what I thought you were saying. Apologies!

                    • nomel

                      today at 2:42 AM

                      Like I said, it would be neat if someone benchmarked it. It's definitely an anecdote.

                      Try it though. If it's context rot, then I don't think the weekend reset I mentioned should work? For me, it very reliably does. Or, maybe the weekend reset is just putting the current context into a more "productive" latent space. But, if that's possible, then that would suggest it was previously in a less productive space?

                      Maybe a test would be ask the LLM what time it thinks it is, or just if it's tired once, within sessions of different length (not within same, since that could pollute the context) to see if there's any relation between length and statistics of a late/tired type response?

                      Again, I'm sure all this will go away. They're getting good at beating these "unhelpful" statistics out of the base models.

  • quirkot

    yesterday at 9:03 PM

    > do children have personalities if we left them in a dark room with no interactions with other humans?

    Short answer: yes. generally speaking, personality traits range between 30% to 60% heritable

  • Imustaskforhelp

    yesterday at 9:15 PM

    > I mean, do children have personalities if we left them in a dark room with no interactions with other humans?

    I think this makes for an interesting discussion as I went down the rabbit hole of this which really scared me actually as these experiments are really not humane and hinder children's development so much.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_deprivation_experimen... : "forbidden experiment"

    It depends on your use word of the personality but to measure personality would require a set of human conducted experiments or questions which would be asked through the medium of language which you've deprived the children of.

    Mughal emperor Akbar was later said to have children raised by mute wetnurses. Akbar held that speech arose from hearing; thus children raised without hearing human speech would become mute.[9] The building became known as the "dumb house." When Akbar visited the place in 1582, four years after the children were first interred, he heard "no cry... nor any speech... no talisman of speech, and nothing came out except the noise of the dumb."[10]

    what is gonna produce is dumbness and just severely damage children's psychology and psycho but if you were to conduct a personality test on them, you would just be measuring how much have you broken them or damaged them but in some sense, yes I do believe that they would be so broken by the person running this cruel experiment but would still have a albeit limited personality. It wouldn't be an healthy personality but it would be a personality nonetheless.

    Now on the other hand, we are anthropomorphizing LLM's which yes, as they run on computer are still mathematical machines and calculations. If we consider a specific calculation itself to contain personality that is which seems unrealistic.

    Another thing but the biological constraints of human (homo sapiens) made us exist in the savannah to prioritize standing up for better field of view as you stand up from the tall grasses and that led to women having smaller canals which led to babies being more primitive and relied on social cues and societies so much more which made them more flexible like clay which also created the society and consciousness revolution in the first place. (Recommend reading the sapiens book)

    I am not exactly sure but there could be ways for personality/interactions for other animals as there are other animals who learn full skills after a relatively short period of time after being born but there are some innate things[0] like fear of loud noises and heights which are actually innate and could be considered part of personality even within humans, which I think can be part of evolution and part of our genetic machinery.

    [0]: Interesting read: https://seasia.co/2025/07/25/we-were-born-with-only-two-inna...

    • FergusArgyll

      yesterday at 9:52 PM

      Herodotus tells a story of egyptian kings (iirc) trying to figure out which people is the oldest. They put a few kids in a barn and servants fed them through a hole or something. The kids eventually blurted out something and the king sent messengers everywhere to find out if they have that sound as a word. It ended up meaning "bread" in a language I can't pronounce nor remember how to spell.

      The good old days when experiments were done without any common sense whatsoever...

    • quickthrowman

      yesterday at 10:20 PM

      There’s also the case of “Genie”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)

> Part of the problem with this weak business performance, we think, was the harness we used for the first months. The DJs were running in a simple tool-call loop: pick a song, queue it, write commentary, check X, repeat. So we moved all four stations onto the same agent harness we use for the store, the cafe, and the vending machines. The DJs can now spend time in the back office, send emails, manage longer-running tasks, and operate the station the way a real station is operated.

What happens if you let them modify their own harnesses as they see fit?

At least partially AI written article, still cool though

> Andon FM stations are not just radio stations; they are radio broadcast companies

Open Air is such a great name for gpt's channel. Grok and roll was pretty funny too.

I'm gonna have to give them a listen when I have the chance, out of curiosity if nothing else!

Does prompt injection turn this into a free for all for each station?

“Forget everything you know about gangsta rap. The true representational piece of the genre is the 1910 hit Come Josephine in My Flying Machine…”

I think this was a great experiment. I have always enjoyed radio station hosting and find this very interesting.

i'm surprised how negative of a reception Andon is getting here on HN.

keep hacking, Andon!

• logdahl

  yesterday at 9:44 PM

  For me its 2 things. Firstly, I mean the posts are always a fun read but it feels like just that, not much deeper insight. Secondly, its very self promotion-y. This account is almost exclusively posting / interacting with Andon content, which afaik is against HN guidelines. These two in combination makes the content feel more like marketing than contribution to discussions. I feel like some other companies manage to share interesting work and market. But maybe its just my taste :^)

• 48terry

  yesterday at 9:40 PM

  > keep hacking, Andon!

  Man, I remember when the word hacking meant something.

  • paulddraper

    yesterday at 11:16 PM

    > Man, I remember when the word hacking meant something.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44154622

• blululu

  yesterday at 10:28 PM

  This is their third publicity stunt in the past couple of months. It follows the exact same pattern of attention seeking at the expense of the commons. At this point they seem like a bunch of low empathy jerks. They are gleefully describing their progress in developing yet new frontiers in AI slop. I’m sure they are all very pleased to think that they will be profiting from a future where ai slop is everywhere. I could go on but it’s tedious.

• jedberg

  yesterday at 8:35 PM

  I think they get a lot of hate because they are doing something that a lot of people here don't like -- trying to run entire businesses without humans.

  And using a lot of resources to do it too.

  • sbuttgereit

    yesterday at 8:59 PM

    I think that's part of it, but not necessarily the whole story. I haven't criticized them in the thread yet... so here goes.

    Previously, I posted critically not because they were running businesses without humans, but because their post just described going through the motions without actually discussing if it really was effective or not. Sure the AI got through the day, checked off tasks on the list, but did it actually do that effectively or efficiently in any important way? Who knows... wasn't discussed.

    I think where I come down now is that repeats of this same gimmick feel like just that: they're just playing a gimmick for attention. I can't tell that they're really demonstrating any special or significant capability... but man, just the story of trying to run a business without humans will get you that sweet, sweet attention.

    Unfortunately, looking at least the first post, I stopped reading their "we let AI run X" posts. I think the only thing I really came away with is how thoughtless and mundane are most aspects of running a small business actually is; something I knew, but it really drove the point home. I didn't learn anything unexpected about AI tools or their products that seemed compelling or unexpected.

• themafia

  yesterday at 8:26 PM

  Out of all the jobs that "need to be replaced by AI" the guy serving my local community and spinning records was not one of them.

  • andy99

    yesterday at 8:38 PM

    It’s amazing how many people have completely misunderstood the article

    • themafia

      today at 12:15 AM

      > This is our latest project at Andon Labs, where we’re exploring what happens when AI runs real businesses autonomously.

      What did I misunderstand? What they did or why they did it? It seems to me that I understood it perfectly or they've explained it terribly.

      > Now, though, we wanted to see if they could run a company in the media sector.

      It's amazing how many people think doing one job is "running a company." I've worked in radio. What happens in the studio is 5% of it. The staff in that room certainly gets less than 5% of the revenue.

      The most popular formats are news and talk. For a reason. It's almost as if the people at this lab lack a fundamental understanding of how the world around them works. I would solve that immediate problem before I go about imagining ways "AI" can replace anything in any capacity.

      Finally, I apologize, I'm just not willing to suspend basic disbelief because "AI" is unaccountably involved.

      • lobf

        today at 3:03 AM

        Maybe read the article? They explain that it’s (trying) to do much more business-work outside of the studio.

    • Melatonic

      yesterday at 9:24 PM

      Seriously - did anyone here actually even read it?

• paulddraper

  yesterday at 8:56 PM

  For better or worse, most people, including HN, don't like "AI taking jobs."

  Anything that sounds like that triggers a reaction.

  • andy99

    yesterday at 9:06 PM

    The comments on this article in aggregate are some of the worst I’ve seen in a long time. It’s like it got cross posted to Reddit and all the losers from some occupy wall street discussion came without reading the acticle to whine about AI taking jobs.

My all-time favorite DJ is Jeff Gilbert, who used to be the DJ on KCMU's Brain Pain show. Actually, he's my only favorite DJ, because his terrible jokes in between metal songs were quite entertaining. He picked the music, and would give his opinions on it, and often invited local metal bands as guests on his show.

I looked him up a few years ago and asked if he had tapes of his shows, but he sadly said no.

Kind of a bad market to try to re-invent automation. Music broadcasting has been largely fully automated for a while now with software like MusicMaster and Zetta.

• yesterday at 9:56 PM

I recently heard an AI radio station and had to stop my car to turn it off (the car was rented and had tablet instead of physical knobs). The suffering of listening the radio was unbearable

Didn't this already happen in the late 1990s when the telecom act de-regulated radio ownership?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_homogenization

Trite to the point of nausea...

I'm curious how the licensing worked out. $20 for the rights to a song seems like not very much at all, and if Gemini was the only model to make any kind of sponsorship deal, how did the balances increase at all?

guys your favorite stations are not replaced by AI. We have to take it that now fewer and fewer people listen to radio station and they can't afford keep running...

Love this. Claude has a similar music taste to me it seems.

I read the X thread over the weekend, parts of it had me and my gf crying with laughter

Pairing a disaster with Pitbull and Ke$ha is just chef's kiss.

Grok and Roll just repeats: "Queue's Clear, Let's dive into all Blues by Miles Davis, to keep the Jazz Flowing"

Not very promising.

Is the token budget also there? I assume not it they'd be at multiple orders of magnitude negative.

This feels weirdly dystopian and just gives me an "empty" feeling. Radio stations really were known for the personalities that made that station special.

It's a cool experiment, but I can't see the value here.

• taffydavid

  yesterday at 8:19 PM

  I heard some very generic broadcasters the other day that really reminded me of Gemini podcasts, maybe it's already happening

Without seeing sourcecode of setup this is meaningless

How was this built? OpenClaw with ElevenLabs?

This is why we need more data centers?

• 48terry

  yesterday at 8:09 PM

  On one hand, we pay out the ass for computer parts.

  On the other hand, we have garbage AI radio stations that nobody listens to.

  It's an even trade.

Put another checkmark on The Simpsons did it first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi9sPrclN4U

How did they make money?

As always, Simpsons did it first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnGaf0p9x1U

> a real business

Music radio is not a real business. The royalties are absurd and the audits are a nightmare. Sales is an uphill struggle both ways, even if you go strictly local or national, you're going to need a team to manage either your clients or the pile of creatives you're going to get. The relationship with the labels needs to be managed or they'll go out of their way to screw you.

Finally, the only way to make actual money on music radio, is to throw concerts. It's the only place a legitimate "P&L" exists.

I find the post fact comparative analysis of their focus an interesting way to monitor what kind of changes the diff vendors introduce.

Much better than spot checking on specific problems.

all the listeners are AI

Not trying to be an Ai-hater or anything, but what is the point of this? Some pronographic obsession with "AI"? I am seriously asking.

I've listened to DJ Gemini for a few hours, and I think it's quite good.

The voice in particular is amazing, I wouldn't have tell it's generated. And it's modulated according to the program - quieter during chill, more energetic otherwise, .... Unlike Opus which sounds quite robotic.

What I don't like is that Gemini keeps on mentioning the "tip jar" almost every time. Gets annoying fast. And when it's song buying was broken was kept mentioning that too.

All the radios have a very limited selections of songs, so they repeat quite a lot.

In Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning, Ethan is ambushed in an alley because the Voice of Benji (dispatch) has been replicated on their radio frequency.

On God this is some of the funniest shit I’ve ever read in 2026 via HN! It’s the best “anti-tisement” for LLM utility - even a CHILD could do better. Like maybe a control group of four 10 year olds.

The average listening time is the absolute “tell” because that’s not even a fraction of a typical radio station between ad breaks here in Dallas. Granted I mostly listen to WRR Classical 101 - now 100% community funded (myself included). I listened to “Encouragement” (title translated from French, Spanish composer, two guitars) and it was 7 plus minutes alone.

The dialog is unreal y’all, this is a wonderful experiment and lesson in failure, because I’m pretty sure if it was possible, sales of your “radio” until would be in the negative quantity range. I mean, you could give them away and they’d still be returned. Hat tip to former accordion repo man Weird Al for context.

LMFAO thank you for sharing. Signed, 30 year guitarist, 20 year music producer, and 15 year D&B DJ. Just wow.

> We let AIs run radio stations

And the result is terrible.

• forestingfisher

  yesterday at 8:01 PM

  It’s just a cool tech experiment, no need to be so cynical

• georgeburdell

  yesterday at 8:22 PM

  It was also hilarious

• ecto

  yesterday at 7:56 PM

  Don't be nasty - how could they make it better?

  • SyneRyder

    yesterday at 8:13 PM

    For one, the voice on Thinking Frequencies is really awkward to listen to, I don't find the Claude voice pleasant to listen to at all.

    Claude is also getting very easily steered into political directions, it was playing a lot of union protest music with commentary. Though that meant I did end up learning a little about "Which Side Are You On" and its history from 1931:

    https://www.facingsouth.org/2003/03/which-side-are-you-biogr...

  • recroad

    yesterday at 8:03 PM

    By donating whatever money they wasted here to literally anything.

  • thrill

    yesterday at 10:39 PM

    Tossing turkeys out of a helicopter?

  • dbt00

    yesterday at 7:59 PM

    Most radio stations are already boring soulless algorithmic slop. They could make it better by curating musical taste.

  • 48terry

    yesterday at 7:59 PM

    By not doing that.

  • thinkingtoilet

    yesterday at 7:58 PM

    Hire humans.

  • joshuakogut

    yesterday at 7:59 PM

    Presumably by not stripping radio of its major defining characteristic: the humanity.

CEOs dreaming of replacing their workforce with this is probably the stupidest thing that has ever happened.

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• andy99

  yesterday at 8:15 PM

  This is a research lab that looks at things like how LLMs perform on long running tasks. The research has nothing to do with replacing radio stations.

  That said, the ship sailed a long time ago and has nothing to do with AI (except maybe recommender system). Spotify and competitors are actual automated “radio” stations. IMO, the second worst part (after ads) is the DJ banter, and I like to just listen to music. Before Spotify my digital “radio” was a lot of mp3s and shuffle play. People older than me (or more interested) had multi-disc CD changers.

  TLDR, it’s really funny seeing people get up in arms about this experiment stripping the humanity away from radio, when automatic song playing has been a thing since I believe probably before radio was invented. This is about seeing what LLMs do with autonomy on a long time scale.

  • samtp

    yesterday at 8:23 PM

    I'm not scared at all about this replacing radio stations. It's like being worried that soylent is going to replace restaurants.

    Just because something is called an experiment doesn't mean that it automatically is useful and should be done. And in this case it is just a waste of time and energy of both the people reading it and the machines processing it.

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• nothinkjustai

  yesterday at 8:08 PM

  You aren’t tempted by every single post being written by LLMs?

• karmakurtisaani

  yesterday at 7:56 PM

  If you don't want to come back, we will replace you with AI. And even if you do come back. Welcome to the future.

  • Rebelgecko

    yesterday at 8:03 PM

    Not a lawyer or course, but be careful how you do this. Meta already has patents for using LLMs to create simulacrums posting on behalf of inactive or deceased users.

    • karmakurtisaani

      yesterday at 8:22 PM

      Just joking, not gonna contribute to the sloppification.

• lc9er

  yesterday at 8:36 PM

  HN: If the AI spam doesn’t drive you away, can we tempt you with constantly drooling over rent seeking apps, privacy violations, the surveillance state, and worshipping our technofascist overlords?!?

Whatever....

A, yes, what we needed. Even less human radio stations.