Time Capsule has been unsupported since 2018 (last shipped 2013):

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirPort_Time_Capsule

I think there's some population of folks that have been doing NAS TM backups over AFP, and they'll now have to switch to SMB.

• procaryote

  today at 9:14 AM

  I gave up on timecapsule because performance has gotten worse and worse year over year. I replaced it with a periodic rsync backup to a NAS that is in turn backed up in other ways

  The upside is that it's dead simple when it comes to how the backup is stored. In 10 years time, having files in a filesystem will still work, but I imagine restoring an old time machine backup will require quite a bit of work

  If you wanted to you could probably figure out how to do apfs snapshots before rsyncing

  If you exclude pointless stuff like browser caches it's also pretty performant compared to timecapsule, and the transfer is properly encrypted

• runlevel1

  today at 2:11 AM

  I still use AFP on my NAS for a few reasons:

  1. When I benchmarked it, AFP was significantly faster than SMB. Both with SMB2 and SMB3. Even when transport encryption was turned off.

  2. On SMB2+, symlinks created by the client are not real symlinks. They're "Minshall+French" links which only look like symlinks to other SMB2+ clients. To the server and NFS mounts they look like flat files with the target path encoded in them.

  3. It exposes a different precision for certain timestamps. Software that uses this metadata to decide whether a file needs to be updated will see almost every file as needing a resync.

  It's been a year or two since I checked the status of these. The situation may have improved since last I looked.

  • adastra22

    today at 7:21 AM

    Yeah I recently migrated my NAS and took the opportunity to switch from AFP to SMB for my Time Machine backups. There were so many problems like the ones you describe that I gave up and went back to AFP. Looks like I'm going to be forced to spend a weekend with Claude figuring this out.

• TimTheTinker

  yesterday at 4:10 PM

  They discontinued sales in 2018, but continued to support Time Capsule backup over AFP through macOS 26 (Tahoe).

  • GeekyBear

    yesterday at 5:29 PM

    It's been more than a decade since they replaced AFP with SMB as the default protocol for file sharing, and they've been warning that AFP would be going away for years.

    • yesterday at 9:58 PM

    • wazoox

      yesterday at 9:44 PM

      Yeah but AFP is still performing way better than SMB on Mac for any fast networking. Like 10GigE and faster. Apple SMB stack is a disaster, and thoroughly unprofessional. NFS is faster, too, but unfortunately the Finder, being the rat nest of bugs it is, has often trouble with NFS shares.

      • ninkendo

        yesterday at 11:49 PM

        macOS 26 still has a hard kernel panic if you try to mount an NFS share with krb5 auth but don’t have a valid Kerberos ticket. 100% reproducible.

        Every OS update I try mounting with no ticket, get a panic, fill in the error reporting dialog with a nice “hope you had a nice holiday break!” message or whatever is seasonally appropriate, with the same simple steps to reproduce. It’s just kinda comical at this point.

        My guess is kerberized NFS has absolutely zero users within Apple, and it’s likely hard to find an engineer there who even knows what Kerberos is anymore.

        I used to work at Apple and I’d have filed a radar for it but now I’m just a customer so I’m powerless.

        • saagarjha

          today at 8:07 AM

          What's the panic?

        • jballanc

          today at 2:05 AM

          It's been a while since I worked at Apple, but back in the day the entire OS X Server team made extensive use of kerberized NFS shares for moving around large files...

          ...the last version of Server shipped in 2021 (and the last real version shipped almost a decade before that).

          • saagarjha

            today at 8:07 AM

            Apple was still using Kerberos when I was there not that long ago.

      • NegativeLatency

        yesterday at 10:25 PM

        IIRC I had some really nasty move/duplication issues with NFS the last time I tried it in Finder.app. (and the whole UID mess)

• bborud

  today at 5:32 AM

  Did they ever work? No, seriously. I've had a couple of them and the few times I really could have used them I discovered that they represented the worst backup solution I've ever had the misfortune to deal with. Slow, very hard to use beyond their primary integration with the OS (which isn't good to begin with), there's really no good way to keep an eye on how they are doing (what's actually backed up, if it is still there) and the performance is worse than any hand rolled solution I've ever used.

  They never supported it properly in the first place and then it just meh'ed out of existence.

  I hope "the new Apple" is going to take software seriously.

• giantrobot

  yesterday at 4:17 PM

  Time Machine support is also dropping support over SMB1 so whatever new solution needs to support SMB2/3.

  • stackskipton

    yesterday at 4:28 PM

    SMB2 came out with Vista and SMB3 was Win8 so they are not new protocols either.

    • winocm

      yesterday at 4:44 PM

      That just ended up inadvertently reminding me, Windows Vista is actually almost old enough to be at the minimum legal drinking age in the US.

      Windows 8 is nearly a decade and a half old as well.

      Time really does fly.

  • wtallis

    yesterday at 4:27 PM

    Where "new" in this case could be a NAS running Samba from 2011? Samba added official support for Time Machine much later, but I think it was possible on earlier versions with some extra steps.

    • throw0101c

      yesterday at 8:22 PM

      Samba 4.8 from 2018:

      * https://www.samba.org/samba/history/samba-4.8.0.html ("vfs_fruit")

      * https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Configure_Samba_to_Work_Bet...

      • wtallis

        yesterday at 8:50 PM

        That's when Samba gained official easy to use support for being used with Time Machine. I'm pretty sure it was possible long before then, IIRC by changing a setting on the Mac to allow selecting unsupported network volumes.

        I don't recall when I stopped running netatalk on my NAS and switched to pure Samba, but I think it was before 2018.

    • giantrobot

      today at 3:40 AM

      I only meant new as in someone currently owns a Time Capsule and has to replace it with something "new" that supports newer SMB versions.

  • jychang

    yesterday at 9:59 PM

    I've added support for Samba 4 (running SMB3) to the Time Capsule so it can work with modern macOS: https://github.com/jamesyc/TimeCapsuleSMB

  • Melatonic

    yesterday at 4:54 PM

    SMB1 has major security issues but even those ignored (which a lot of people on private home networks shouldn't be too worried about) it's also slow as hell on MacOS

    • riffic

      yesterday at 5:50 PM

      > people on private home networks shouldn't be too worried about

      philosophically I would beg to differ about any premise assuming we can trust the castle and moat model. Even on home networks.

      • fragmede

        today at 1:39 AM

        philosophically, it depends on who you are. If you're Sam Altman or Vitalik Buterin, yeah, your private home network should be considered to be under attack by hostiles trying to steal from you, but for the rest of us, the NSA isn't going to make an international incident trying to get at your Plex server.

        • Gigachad

          today at 2:49 AM

          For the rest of us we have IoT devices and guests malware filled devices constantly probing the internal network.

For those that are interested: I've managed to build Samba 4 and get it running on a Apple Time Capsule https://github.com/jamesyc/TimeCapsuleSMB

In comparison to other 'changes' Apple usually do those one are realistic. Dropping deprecated networking practices that worth upgrading (meaning, if you already have newer macOS clients mostly with apple stack, update your servers)

I just hope they won't break anything they don't need to break (which is more concerning usually) and that they won't drop other things that do make sense to keep until transitioned properly (eg. OpenGL as one example)

Although TimeCapsule is more than decade old, it serves nicely with TimeMachine (automatic backups). Sad to see that going away permanently for Apple Silicon.

• ryandrake

  yesterday at 4:56 PM

  "Dropping support for things just because they are old" is typical commercial software behavior. I can run the latest Linux kernel and still have access to an internal floppy disk drive if I wanted to, yet billion dollar companies can't seem to manage to support 10 year old stuff.

  I still am sore from when I "upgraded" macOS and suddenly support for my 1080i TV was gone. Yesterday it worked fine, today it's gone. All because they can't be bothered to maintain a code path.

  • _verandaguy

    yesterday at 5:15 PM

    The economics make the reasoning obvious, though.

    With closed source IP, every bit of support, from bug fixes, to feature requests, to compatibility fixes to integrate with newer mainline/foundational tooling, costs money.

    With open source projects (and in particular ones like Linux where there's a huge number of contributors and interested parties), support for would-be niche facilities can keep going as long as there's someone with the knowledge and spare time to do it.

    • miki123211

      yesterday at 9:22 PM

      AFAIK, Linux has a policy that any change you make must not break existing kernel features, and if it does, you have to fix them yourself.

      With that said, kernel maintainers have recently indicated that some unused subsystems are likely to be removed soon, as AI is now finding (real) security vulnerabilities in them that nobody is willing to fix.

    • huijzer

      today at 5:17 AM

      > The economics make the reasoning obvious, though.

      Looking through Apple’s financial statements, they theoretically could support these old systems. I’m not saying a cut doesn’t make sense, but just that economics-wise they could keep one guy for it

    • TheJoeMan

      yesterday at 7:07 PM

      There's somewhere in the ballpark of 166,000 employees at Apple, just unfathomable scale [1]. It is not unreasonable to ask that someone specific is responsible for each particular small feature and ensuring it keeps working. Trying to apply an economic analysis to such a "free as in beer" operating system does not seem to work well. Consider the question of "how many small holes can you have in your wooden sailing ship"?

      [1] https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/aapl/employees/

      • laserlight

        yesterday at 7:37 PM

        Not that it impacts your argument significantly, but for the sake of completeness, Apple employs a huge number of retail employees.

        • AlexandrB

          yesterday at 8:58 PM

          Yes. A more useful number would be how many employees are working on macOS specifically. Hard to find a definitive number for that.

          • saagarjha

            today at 8:09 AM

            Less than 1% of that number. Of course this is hard to actually count properly since there is a lot of shared work across platforms.

      • akerl_

        yesterday at 7:29 PM

        It’s not unreasonable to ask but they can and are saying “no”.

    • mschuster91

      today at 8:52 AM

      > With open source projects (and in particular ones like Linux where there's a huge number of contributors and interested parties), support for would-be niche facilities can keep going as long as there's someone with the knowledge and spare time to do it.

      And that increasingly gets difficult to do. i386 support went down the drain in the kernel in 2012, i486 is probably going down the drain as well this year [1] and soon-ish another bunch of really really old stuff will go as well because it isn't maintained [2] - good luck finding someone still running IPX networks or ISDN hardware.

      [1] https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/06/patch_to_end_i486_sup...

      [2] https://lwn.net/Articles/1068928/

    • lenerdenator

      yesterday at 8:14 PM

      Ideally, at a certain point, you'd have some sort of upstream FLOSS project where you could let John Q. Public do that sort of low-level, maintenance-only stuff, while the proprietary "value adds" are closed source, until it becomes financially attractive to FLOSS them.

      IIRC, that could exist for MacOS in the form of Darwin.

    • reaperducer

      yesterday at 7:31 PM

      The economics make the reasoning obvious, though

      These arguments fall apart when you remember that Apple has several trillion dollars at hand. It's not some shoestring startup.

  • tracker1

    yesterday at 6:36 PM

    Ironic, considering Linux is dropping a LOT of old devices from 7.1

    • yjftsjthsd-h

      yesterday at 6:57 PM

      It's my understanding that those are (mostly?) devices where they legitimately have reason to believe there are zero users. In particular, there's a pattern where someone will discover that Linux has a driver that hasn't actually worked for a long time, and nobody's complained, so then they remove it.

      • tracker1

        yesterday at 7:10 PM

        I'm not suggesting they keep it all... just ironic as a statement considering Linux is literally removing a bit lately... <= 486, the bus drivers for mice, etc.

        I'm mostly okay cleaning out a lot of legacy and unsupported devices. In some ways, and for people who want to support really old hardware it may not be great, but they're most likely stuck on older versions for other reasons.

        • yjftsjthsd-h

          yesterday at 8:15 PM

          I don't think it is ironic, though; Linux isn't "Dropping support for things just because they are old", it's dropping unused things when they cause code quality problems. That's rather different than features being dropped because the vendor doesn't want to bother supporting them even though they still worked and have active users.

          • gzread

            today at 12:34 AM

            Feetures being dropped because nobody wants to support them is a prominent feature of free software. That's part of "no warranty". If it does bother you, you're supposed to step up to support it yourself, or pay someone to.

            • yjftsjthsd-h

              today at 12:52 AM

              Okay, but that's the exact opposite of what we're discussing here? Linux, which is free software, isn't dropping features because nobody wants to support them, but because nobody's using them. Meanwhile, macOS, developed as a commercial product and with a much weaker showing of open source or even source availability, is dropping features because Apple doesn't want to support them.

              • dwaite

                today at 8:45 AM

                > Linux, which is free software, isn't dropping features because nobody wants to support them, but because nobody's using them.

                I disagree. They are dropping support because nobody is maintaining them. There may very well be people still using these features, but they haven't been motivated or aren't properly skilled to offer to maintain them going forward, and haven't motivated some other skilled person via payments.

                Rather, the core difference is that Apple does not offer a way to have external people take over providing support.

        • nine_k

          yesterday at 8:51 PM

          If anybody would care to keep these drivers up, it would be easy to revive them as kernel modules. It's not that Linux is going to lose an upstream interface to publish events from a bus mouse.

          Support for 486 is another thing, but, frankly speaking, running a modern Linux kernel on a 486 makes no sense, either form a practical or preservationist / museum perspective.

        • ryandrake

          yesterday at 7:16 PM

          Absolutely--Linux is by no means perfect.

        • esseph

          today at 4:21 AM

          What is the age of the 486SX code vs the code paths Apple is removing right now?

  • today at 5:53 AM

  • Ar-Curunir

    yesterday at 5:36 PM

    Just this week we've seen Linux talking about dropping support for some older hardware precisely because attacks against it were becoming easier with LLMs.

    • joe_mamba

      yesterday at 8:45 PM

      Do you have a detailed source for this? I want to read more about it.

      Because I noticed my old Core 2 Quad PC with Nvidia 8600GT that my parents use as their email and Facebook machine, doesn't boot with any linux newer than Kernel 6.1 even though I can get Windows 11 to boot on it.

      So the myth around "Linux is great for old PCs", highly depends on what HW you have.

      • dwroberts

        today at 6:48 AM

        > even though I can get Windows 11 to boot on it

        But by modifying it right? Because the core 2 does not support SSE4.2

      • esseph

        today at 4:22 AM

        Sounds like an Nvidia driver module issue more than anything else. If I had to guess, simply removing the Nvidia module should fix that and still get you video through one of the various backup paths (opennuveau etc)

  • halapro

    today at 6:08 AM

    Ok what do you suggest? Every feature ever written should be supported in perpetuity even if 3 people are using it? Clearly you didn't think this through. Should 2026 computers have a ISA interface as well?

    Supporting old hardware and software has a substantial cost that only grows exponentially. Companies exist to print money, not to cater to the smallest niches.

    It would be great if they could support things, but I most definitely understand why they don't.

  • yesterday at 8:24 PM

  • retired

    yesterday at 6:14 PM

    macOS Tahoe still has floppy drive support.

    • ryandrake

      yesterday at 7:11 PM

      Really? Like actual internal floppy drives, and not just USB floppy drives (which even Windows still supports)?

      I actually wouldn't expect macOS to support actual floppy drives since the OS's list of supported devices doesn't include any that shipped with floppy drives. The fact that I cannot install the latest macOS on any devices older than 2019 is a related, but separate problem.

      • nxobject

        yesterday at 7:52 PM

        In this case, what would internal floppy drive mean? The last Macs with floppy drives (I think Old World G3s?) used a custom Apple controller, integrated into the chipset, with a bespoke 20-pin cable.

        • kalleboo

          today at 2:31 AM

          Even on the old world G3s, Mac OS X never had floppy drive support. There was a driver someone had ported from BSD you could install.

      • jonhohle

        today at 12:23 AM

        Yes! And Zip Disk support. I have an app that has to detect different external media types and have a pile of old drives that work just fine.

      • retired

        yesterday at 7:59 PM

        USB floppy drives indeed.

        • skissane

          yesterday at 11:24 PM

          A USB floppy drive behaves almost identically to a USB hard drive-yet another SCSI block device. The cost of keeping support for them is minimal

          This is very different from legacy PC floppy drive controllers which spoke a completely different protocol, which was very complex and full of footguns

          Legacy floppy controllers also had various legacy features almost nobody used, like soft deletion of sectors (IBM added this in the 70s for use with primitive database systems), or attaching tape drives using the floppy interface (nowadays if you buy a brand new tape drive, the interface options are SAS or Fibre Channel)

  • Elidrake24

    yesterday at 9:16 PM

    And soon I won't be able to run old 32bit binaries with the latest Linux Kernel. We all move on.

    • MYEUHD

      yesterday at 9:34 PM

      Umm no?

      > There are still some people who need to run 32-bit applications that cannot be updated; the solution he has been pushing people toward is to run a 32-bit user space on a 64-bit kernel. This is a good solution for memory-constrained systems; switching to 32-bit halves the memory usage of the system. Since, on most systems, almost all memory is used by user space, running a 64-bit kernel has a relatively small cost. Please, he asked, do not run 32-bit kernels on 64-bit processors.

      https://lwn.net/Articles/1035727/

  • wang_li

    yesterday at 5:39 PM

    > "Dropping support for things just because they are old" is typical commercial software behavior.

    You are deluding yourself if you think open source folks are better. You can't compile and run a modern version of GCC on Solaris 10 on SPARC, for example. And we just had a story here last week about removal of bus mouse support. It's only a mild exaggeration to say that lots of folks will check the commit activity on github and of a project doesn't have commits this week it should be banned from the internet and the universe.

    Then you have the problem that many dev tools are not forward compatible. CMake is a huge issue. An ubuntu system from 2020 has CMake on it, but it won't compile anything that uses CMake that was released in recent years because the cmakefiles are incompatible.

    • a1o

      yesterday at 7:45 PM

      CMake is a bad example, you can build latest CMake and run it on Debian Jessie. It will work perfectly. CMake is the thing you can build on really old compilers.

    • realusername

      yesterday at 5:43 PM

      Open source is better because as long as you have a single developer caring to maintain the device, it will still be there.

      Bus mouse support isn't removed because it's old but because it's been broken since 2015 and nobody noticed.

      • gzread

        today at 12:38 AM

        Open source is better because if you need the device driver then you can step up to maintain it yourself. It doesn't mean someone else will magically do it for you. I've used devices with very obscure incantations to get some random person's hack to run on Linux that worked natively on Windows.

• goalieca

  yesterday at 3:48 PM

  Given the mtbf of disks, I wouldn’t risk doing backups on a device discontinued in 2018.

  • swiftcoder

    yesterday at 3:55 PM

    It may not be the easiest surgery in the world, but you can replace the hard drive in a Time Capsule. You'll probably want to replace the power supply too after this much time

  • kgwgk

    yesterday at 3:53 PM

    Disks can be replaced.

  • yesterday at 3:53 PM

• sleepybrett

  yesterday at 3:52 PM

  wasn't it capped at 3tb? is the drive swappable to something bigger? They discontinues them in 2018, the wifi in them is old, single disk (no raid).. better to just pick up a multidrive nas or use cloud backups. What we should be asking for is timemachine backends for cloud providers.

  • TimTheTinker

    yesterday at 4:08 PM

    It's not "officially" supported, but iFixit has a guide for swapping the drive on a time capsule. I used mine with a 4TB drive for years with no trouble.

    • sleepybrett

      yesterday at 4:58 PM

      Sure, but still just a single drive.

      My old trusty readynas should still work i think.. probalby. Supports smd for time machine and smb3 generally. If it doesn't I might finally be pushed onto a nas that isn't discontinued.

      • bananamogul

        yesterday at 5:14 PM

        I had an early ReadyNAS that was a champ for years. I wonder if the fact that it was based on SPARC had anything to do with its longevity.

      • iAMkenough

        yesterday at 5:18 PM

        From a risk assessment standpoint, I’ve seen my Time Machine backups corrupted much more frequently than I’ve experienced drive failure. Happened with both my Time Capsule and then my Synology RAID.

        It’s a “nice to have” automatic backup, but not a primary backup destination for me.

"...if you have an Apple silicon Mac and AFP support is dropped from macOS 27, that would leave you unable to upgrade without replacing your network storage."

How big is this market? I'm not saying vibe code a product, but...

• bayindirh

  yesterday at 4:08 PM

  That "replacement" is not always full-on hardware.

  I have colleagues who are running AFP on BSD for continuous backups on their systems, and they have to reconfigure something new to be able to continue backing up their systems.

  • trillic

    yesterday at 4:24 PM

    I use this for networked Time Machine backups for multiple Macs in my household. Works just as well over tailscale VPN.

    https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Netatalk

    • snapetom

      yesterday at 8:30 PM

      One of my COVID projects was to set up a networked Time Machine backup on Raspberry Pi.

      Every single one of the blogspam sites (lifehacker, howtogeek, etc.) told you to use AFP/HFS+/Netatalk. I had so many problems with this. Time Machine would work well the first few times and then slow to a crawl. If there was a power outage, look out. The whole thing would be corrupted. It wasn't the network. FTP and scp worked just fine.

      Eventually I found one blog that told you how to do it with SMB and ext4. It was that site that I learned about the much malignment of AFP and HFS+. SMB/ext4 worked like a charm. Six years later and not a single hiccup.

    • wang_li

      yesterday at 5:41 PM

      Also works for System 7 based Macintoshes. In case you got frozen in a glacier in 1991.

      • jshier

        yesterday at 6:02 PM

        Nah, classic Macintosh OSes aren't compatible with modern AFP.

        • wang_li

          yesterday at 6:19 PM

          They are compatible with netatalk though. The project split between version 2 and 3, but in recent releases they folded them back into a single thing. Current netatalk releases support all versions of AFP.

  • JumpCrisscross

    yesterday at 4:09 PM

    > That "replacement" is not always full-on hardware

    Oh, I was thinking only of software. Apple dropping AFP in the OS doesn't mean it can't work at all.

    • bayindirh

      yesterday at 4:10 PM

      I believe the only supported mode is SAMBA now.

• daneel_w

  yesterday at 9:26 PM

  Netatalk has been around for like 25 years: https://github.com/Netatalk/Netatalk

  Relevant to the discussion is that the project comes with an AFP client as well. I have no experience with the client but I've used the Netatalk server for more than 15 years.

  • jychang

    yesterday at 10:01 PM

    I've already built it: https://github.com/jamesyc/TimeCapsuleSMB

    This runs Samba 4 on the Apple Time Capsule.

> will require connections to certain servers to be made using at least TLS 1.2

Seriously, no-one should still be using 1.1 since ... 5 years ago? It's not even the 1.2 -> 1.3 previous upgrade problems we're talking about.

• wging

  today at 1:50 AM

  Longer than that, even. A similar requirement for iOS apps was in the cards 10 years ago. https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=12212016b

  (Yes, this article is about an extension of the deadline. I don't remember what happened after that.)

• ifwinterco

  yesterday at 7:18 PM

  Yes this one seems unambiguously a good idea

  • reaperducer

    yesterday at 7:28 PM

    So I should have to e-waste my printer, scanner, and wireless card reader that only exist on my LAN, and that I connect to via a web interface just because… reasons?

    • mirashii

      yesterday at 7:42 PM

      If you read the article and the linked documentation, you'll see that those things aren't in the list of what this change applies to.

      https://support.apple.com/en-us/126655

On an unrelated note, I use Time Machine and I’m surprised at how unpolished, not to say downright buggy, all the animations are. They used to look magical, but now they are a mess of elements popping on and off and things moving and then vanishing the next frame and so on. It looks like they kept changing Finder and Time Machine didn’t keep up; they kept fixing the bare minimum to have it compile and nothing more.

• enaaem

  yesterday at 7:32 PM

  Even the new app launcher. It takes 1-2 seconds to draw a bunch of icons. Scrolling is also choppy. This even happens on their newest machines. How this possible in 2026?

  • distalx

    today at 1:45 AM

    We put a supercomputer in a laptop just so the OS could struggle to draw a grid of icons. Peak modern engineering.

  • tomaskafka

    yesterday at 9:48 PM

    Apple hardware team looking at Apple software team: You guys, everything OK over there?

    • jychang

      yesterday at 10:41 PM

      I just did the work of the software team for them:

      I got Samba 4 working on Apple Time Capsules: https://github.com/jamesyc/TimeCapsuleSMB

      If you have a legacy Time Capsule you'd rather not e-waste, you can try this out. Note that this is very much beta quality software, so don't expect it to work on all configurations.

  • sysworld

    yesterday at 9:43 PM

    My app launcher loads as soon as it's triggered (4 fingers swiped in). There is a weird 5ms glitch on the zoom in animation, but otherwise it loads in within a few ms, and scrolling is smooth. I'm on a M2 MBA macOS 26.3.1

    Edit, but don't take this as me saying I like the current state of macOS. There are plenty of weird edge cases I wish they'd fix, but on the whole the OS works fine for me.

    • enaaem

      yesterday at 10:41 PM

      For me the launcher itself loads fast, but it takes 1-2 seconds to show the icons. And when I scroll down it often times does not draw the icons fast enough.

    • tomaskafka

      yesterday at 9:50 PM

      My app launcher loads fine as well, but sometimes (a few times a week) it just doesn't find any apps at all. Or only some of them.

  • cevn

    yesterday at 8:20 PM

    It isn't even centered on my monitor, looks like an intern wrote it.

  • joe_mamba

    yesterday at 8:46 PM

    >How this possible in 2026?

    Enshittification. When you're an ecosystem monopoly, people are forced to buy your shit no matter how bad it gets.

    • miki123211

      yesterday at 9:17 PM

      Macs are nowhere near a monopoly.

      I would (grudgingly) accept this argument for iOS, but for Mac OS it doesn't make any sense.

      • still_grokking

        today at 1:39 AM

        If you want to keep your shiny Apple stuff you're effectively trapped. Their walled garden approach works extremely well…

        • coldtea

          today at 2:06 AM

          What "walled garden"? The Mac-only apps aside, what's that that you couldn't get on Windows (and most even on Linux), either the same thing, or a zero-switch-cost subscription (it's not like you need to rebuy something to go from Music to Spotify for exampe).

          iCloud? You can use Google Drive or Dropbox or whatever MS calls theirs. Apple Music? Pretty sure it plays at both.

          Most major apps are cross platform (Adobe, Microsoft and such), or Electron based.

          Syncing with your iPhone? You can do that from Windows and Linux as well. Airpods? Work with Android and Windows too.

          And so on.

      • joe_mamba

        yesterday at 10:24 PM

        >Macs are nowhere near a monopoly.

        You didn't read what I said. I said MacOS IS a monopoly in the Apple ecosystem.

        Apple users dissatisfied with how MacOS is changing, as the one I was replying to, have nothing else to switch to without uprooting themselves out of the Apple ecosystem altogether, which most don't do but just put up with it.

    • linguae

      today at 2:02 AM

      The Mac isn’t a monopoly, but choices for desktop operating systems are indeed limited. I use macOS, Windows, and Linux on a regular basis. The only one that’s improving is the Linux ecosystem. I prefer macOS to Windows, but macOS is not as polished in 2026 as it was in 2016 or especially in the Snow Leopard era.

    • mikestorrent

      today at 12:33 AM

      Apple used to solve this through the ruthless application of good taste; we hope this returns with the new CEO

      • bigyabai

        today at 1:05 AM

        Originally, it was "solved" because computers were the only thing Apple sold. They couldn't afford a Lisa without successes like the Apple II.

        Now, Apple's incentives are changed. The App Store alone makes multiple times more money in a year than the sum of annual Mac and iPad sales put together. The OSes for these products are decidedly back-burner so Apple can focus on expanding AppleTV's IP library and lobby for Apple Pay. Ternus won't be your savior.

          John Ternus says Apple has ‘so much’ opportunity to expand services
        

        https://9to5mac.com/2026/04/27/john-ternus-says-apple-has-so...

• amluto

  yesterday at 5:47 PM

  Even ignoring the lack of polish, the animations make it very hard to actually use Time Machine.

  • adjejmxbdjdn

    yesterday at 6:53 PM

    A couple of revisions in Time Machine was just fine.

    The UI was cute and fun if you wanted an older revision of a single file (especially since you could see previews of the file as you warped backwards).

    However, importantly, the snapshots were available in Finder itself so you could browse through the files you wanted and retrieve them.

  • Hamuko

    yesterday at 6:52 PM

    The worst feature of Time Machine is how it takes over every single display you have. Even though it only shows content on one screen, it feels the need to completely black out the others.

    • xattt

      yesterday at 7:27 PM

      I don’t know what kind of time machines you’ve been using, but typically everything changes outside all the portholes when you time travel.

      • exe34

        yesterday at 8:35 PM

        skeuomorphism is back, boys!

        • sysworld

          yesterday at 9:44 PM

          Damn, I can't reply to the girls comment, but it's back for them too :P

        • whataboutgirls

          yesterday at 9:42 PM

          What about girls?

• jshier

  yesterday at 6:00 PM

  Classic Apple engineering. I would there is technically a "single responsible individual" assigned to Time Machine, but it covers the whole product, so the UI component falls by the wayside as the work on other products or the low level portion.

• still_grokking

  today at 1:36 AM

  The "quality" Apple delivers is by now a complete joke. It's going south since over a decade, and this never stopped.

  It's like that because people are still buying. Even for the ridiculous prices Apple asks for.

  So why would Apple actually care? They get away with this "quality", so from a business standpoint there is simply nothing that needs investments or even just attention.

  It's a race to the bottom. Like everywhere else. That's simply how the system which people created works.

• jmspring

  yesterday at 11:09 PM

  I stopped using it because the interface was wretched and it didn't need to be cutesy. Rsync found it's way back into the tool belt.

• pvab3

  today at 12:00 AM

  i wonder if support for DIY backup tools isn't prioritized when a future iCloud monthly subscription will be pushed eventually.

  • fragmede

    today at 1:32 AM

    future iCloud monthly subscription?

    I've been paying for iCloud storage since I don't know when.

• hrdwdmrbl

  yesterday at 8:55 PM

  Other issues with Time Machine:

  - Very slow, even on an M4.

  - 3rd party devices are often unreliable. Not directly Apple's fault, but the lack of certification process hurts

  - SMB extensions: In order for an SMB server to support Time Machine, it must support Apple's AAPL extensions to SMB (my understand of this my be a bit uncorrect)

  - Network device connecting is separate from Time Machine device connecting. This causes an inconsistent UX.

  - Not possible to browse a backup. You can only view file or folder's backup over time. In other words, you can scroll through time but you can't browse a single backup (point in time). This requires using 3rd party tools like BackupLoupe

  • joombaga

    today at 1:11 AM

    You can't turn it on without an external drive attached, even though it saves local backups. It works if you mount a disk image and then point TM to it with the CLI.

• reaperducer

  yesterday at 7:27 PM

  On an unrelated note

  If you know it's unrelated, why try to derail this discussion? Why not start another? What's the point?

  Could it be that you only posted this in an active thread so it would get the most eyeballs, instead of being judged on its own merits?

  • pnw_throwaway

    yesterday at 7:33 PM

    It’s more tangential than unrelated. It’s how conversation naturally flows, and this is a discussion board. No need to fire up a new post.

    On another tangential note: you’re insufferable. If you’re like this in the real world, I can’t imagine you’ve got many people wanting to hold a conversation for very long.

  • avazhi

    today at 12:16 AM

    > Could it be that you only posted this in an active thread so it would get the most eyeballs

    How is this a criticism? Seems smart to me.

• giwook

  yesterday at 5:45 PM

  Makes sense since it hasn't been supported since 2018 lol

  • kjuice1

    yesterday at 5:54 PM

    Are you thinking of Time Capsule? Time Machine is fully supported and I use it every day on Tahoe.

    • giwook

      yesterday at 8:20 PM

      Yep, I misread.

I’m reminded of that time 10-years ago when Apple rewrote parts of its networking code (discovery/mDNSResponder), and it caused so many issues they had to revert the code.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9026192

https://www.macrumors.com/2015/06/30/apple-releases-os-x-10-...

• MBCook

  today at 2:26 AM

  They’re possibly dropping a protocol they’ve been saying they’d drop for years, and tightening connection validation.

  This is nothing like the mDNS stuff.

• traderj0e

  yesterday at 10:00 PM

  Unless I'm mixing it up, I still remember this as the infamous "wifi update"

Finally, TLS 1.2 is baseline, after having been released 18 years ago.

Why is it that Apple products attract blogspam titles?

> Networking changes coming in macOS 27

And yet:

> This year, with just over six weeks to go before that first beta of macOS 27, we already have two warnings of what might be coming.

> It repeated those warnings with macOS Sequoia 15.5, but still hasn’t confirmed when AFP will be lost.

> Although Apple carefully avoids being too specific, it warns that this change could come “as early as the next major software release”,

• pvtmert

  yesterday at 6:32 PM

  I originally added a different title: Apple is dropping AFP/TimeMachine support in macOS 27.

  It seems like somehow got overwritten to the original title of the post.

  Nevertheless, knowing Apple so far, unless _some_ large-enterprise~y customer comes and objects, they will drop the support. We already know Intel support is dropping. Why not clean up rest of the things from the kernel and the userspace?

  • yesterday at 6:52 PM

    • yesterday at 7:24 PM

• troad

  today at 12:57 AM

  I was also surprised by this. The post appears to contain next to no actual information.

  The facts: Apple put a warning in macOS 15.5 that AFP support might be dropped in the future.

  The claim: AFP support will be dropped in macOS 27.

  I just do not see how you get from the facts to the claim. This is just complete speculation.

When i saw the headline I briefly allowed myself to hope that DNS settings would no longer be set universally (requiring manual intervention when switching networks if not using DHCP) but of course it's nothing useful and only "Apple is breaking stuff because they can"

>Apple made SMB its primary file-sharing protocol in OS X 10.9 Mavericks, over 12 years ago…

…and yet SMB support in macOS remains slow and buggy to this day. I tried all combinations of server-side settings and obscure plist tweaks to make SMB navigation and search work as fast as they do on my Linux machine out of box before giving up. It is very obviously not a priority for their services revenue, so there’s no incentive for fixing any of the long standing problems.

• realityfactchex

  yesterday at 4:59 PM

  > SMB support in macOS remains slow and buggy to this day. I tried all combinations of server-side settings and obscure plist tweaks to make SMB navigation and search work as fast as they do on my Linux machine out of box before giving up. It is very obviously not a priority for their services revenue

  That's where my thoughts went, too. I can make SMB "better" but not "great" usually, but it's annoying to have to look up and apply, and still have things not optimal. Just in case, IIRC I find this the most useful:

    defaults read com.apple.desktopservices DSDontWriteNetworkStores
    defaults write com.apple.desktopservices DSDontWriteNetworkStores -bool TRUE
  

  But surely some of the other tweaks that LLMs suggest may help, too.

• yobert

  yesterday at 4:30 PM

  I found something fun last week--- Apparently if you use Adobe tools, there is a sync plugin they install for finder that can cause big issues with SMB shares. Might help you if you have that!

  • catoc

    yesterday at 6:56 PM

    Would you have any more info? I have both: adobe synctool + issues with smb shares

• p_ing

  yesterday at 5:20 PM

  Apple has their own implementation of SMB in macOS and it's one of the worst out there. Dropping connections, can't re-establish connections automatically after sleep, and performance issues.

  Why they didn't keep Samba (licensing, probably) is beyond me.

  • kalleboo

    today at 3:20 AM

    > licensing, probably

    Correct, Apple has dropped everything that switched to GPLv3 which includes newer versions of bash, samba, etc.

• yesterday at 5:44 PM

• traderj0e

  yesterday at 5:25 PM

  Yeah, can't remember the last time I even bothered with SMB because it's so buggy. Usually I don't need filesystem behavior, I'll just push/pull files over SSH.

  • eastbound

    yesterday at 6:34 PM

    I regret the difficulty of mounting an SSH connection as a filesystem. It requires Fuse and giving permissions to the kernel.

    • traderj0e

      yesterday at 6:47 PM

      I used to do that a lot in some old versions of OS X, but then MacFUSE got abandoned and picked up as osxfuse, then that broke then got fixed repeatedly with several Mac updates, and I gave up.

• somat

  yesterday at 8:39 PM

  How is nfs on mac?

  Not really equivalent, I know, but if smb is that bad I am curious about alternatives.

  • wazoox

    yesterday at 9:56 PM

    NFS works way better than SMB, but the Finder is not without its troubles. Sometimes it will take 10 minutes to display a folder for reasons, mostly.

    The Finder is really an horrible piece of sh*t of software, slow as hell, doesn't provide the most basic information[1], and, of course, doesn't work properly when browsing network shares either SMB or NFS.

    [1]virtually all common file browsers (Windows Explorer, Gnome Nautilus, KDE dolphin) displays at all times : the number of files in the current folder, their size, the number of files selected, their size; also all but the Finder have a "recent files" section that actually contains the latest files used, while the Finder displays a completely random selection of recent files, but never the most recently used ones.

    • daneel_w

      yesterday at 10:50 PM

      With the exception of summed size of selected items, the Finder has all of that. Help yourself to the "View->Show Status Bar" menu option. Also, "View->Show View Options->Calculate All Sizes" to show storage size for directories.

• kstrauser

  yesterday at 4:30 PM

  I can pull about 700MB/s off my NAS over a 10Gb link. I wouldn’t exactly call it slow.

  • Melatonic

    yesterday at 4:57 PM

    In a corporate environment SMB3 on MacOS was lagging Windows and Linux big time (at least a few years ago when I tested).

    How's the latest to your NAS? Are those single large files or many small files ?

  • j16sdiz

    yesterday at 4:40 PM

    I think SMB is quite chatty -- if you have lots of small files, you can get quite slow.

    • p_ing

      yesterday at 5:18 PM

      That was SMBv1. Not SMB of today.

      • brigade

        yesterday at 5:59 PM

        Still true for extended attributes, which Finder and Spotlight love to query.

    • WorldPeas

      yesterday at 4:53 PM

      ...and don't even get me started on locking, if many people write to one file you're on borrowed time

Completely unrelated but I love the layout / blog format of eclecticlight.co

Can't they hire an extra dev per abandoned project to not abandon it?

• Someone1234

  yesterday at 5:49 PM

  You greatly under-estimate how much work it is to maintain old code, particularly to maintain in securely.

  AFP and Time Capsules add attack vectors to the OS, which can be targeted even when few users actively using them. One dev could keep both basically functional, but to what end? User counts are already small, and people that aren't using them are still exposed by their mere existence.

  Shrinking or removing code, in my experience, is one of the biggest single wins you can have in software development. Less to test, less to update, less to secure.

  • applfanboysbgon

    yesterday at 6:31 PM

    Yes, writing and maintaining less code is great for a developer. We can follow this to the logical extreme and marvel at how easy it is to write and maintain a program whose only function is to print "hello, world" to the console. Nevermind the users, what do they matter?

    • Someone1234

      yesterday at 8:42 PM

      By the very nature of assigning development time to these antiquated features, you're assigning them away from other features, bug fixes, or requests that may have a larger user reach.

      Development is a finite resource, the argument here is to allocate them to hard-to-secure, outmoded, replaced, technology instead of anything future relevant. It doesn't make sense.

      • applfanboysbgon

        yesterday at 9:09 PM

        The person was specifically suggesting hiring extra developers for maintenance. While I'm familiar with the concept that "nine women can't birth a baby in a month", I don't think that applies so much to maintenance of old code paths. Apple makes over $100b in net profit per year, a truly unfathomable amount of money, they can afford it, and I think not only can they afford it but that it would benefit them. Even if only 1% of your users use X, for Apple that might translate to perhaps 10 million people using X, or at 0.1% 1 million. Hiring a dev to improve the experience for that many people just makes sense at scale, software is write-once reproduce-a-million-times-for-free.

        I have no doubt the bean counters have drawn up every kind of spreadsheet they can imagine trying to quantify it as being not worth it, but I don't think these kinds of quality of life things can be easily quantified, because each small thing maintained might only impact a small number of users but collectively, all of these kinds of small things add up to either a system with sharp corners that constantly papercuts the user (current Apple software), or one that is so seamless that it engenders customer loyalty for decades (old Apple software). This kind of shortsighted penny-pinching is how companies become a shell of their former selves, suffering a slow death-by-MBA.

        • dwaite

          today at 9:21 AM

          My estimate is that your lower count of people who could still be using Time Capsule is off by a factor of 20, but we'll continue with the idea that Apple could justify hiring a single engineer to be assigned full-time on the TimeCapsule, starting today.

          This hypothetical employee would:

          - update the TimeCapsule firmware from using AFP to using a brand new SMBv3 implementation, including both porting and making it "fit" within the constraints of 2013 hardware.

          - be designing and implementing a migration system for both the TimeCapsule and the Mac to move to using the new implementation

          - be responsible for all security analysis, QA, and documentation for the firmware and migration system

          They also need to get it done by the first macOS version that has AFP removed, which will land in developer preview in six weeks and need to be feature complete in about 17 weeks.

          If Apple hires a new developer capable of doing that, I don't want them to relegate them to supporting 13 year old hardware. I want them improving things that the majority of users actually need.

          And that is the core problem with this sort of argument. Even with infinite money or the infinite possibilities of open source contributions, the availability of talent is still _always_ finite.

        • alwillis

          yesterday at 10:34 PM

          > Even if only 1% of your users use X, for Apple that might translate to perhaps 10 million people using X, or at 0.1% 1 million. Hiring a dev to improve the experience for that many people just makes sense at scale; software is write-once, reproduce-a-million-times-for-free.

          If Apple is known for anything, it's that they keep moving ahead with the operating system, even if it means leaving some users behind… and that goes back to the late 80's/early 90s when apps had to be "32-bit clean" [1] to run on System 7 and newer Motorola 68000 processors like the 68020, 68030, etc.

          Some beloved apps don't make the transition, and that happens with every technology transition like 68000 to PowerPC, then to Intel, and then to ARM. And of course, from Classic Mac OS to OS X, Mac OS X then macOS.

          I've been active in user groups since the Apple II days; there's a cohort who mostly won't upgrade their hardware but complain bitterly that they lack certain features. Or they attempt these fragile and unreliable hacks to keep their old hardware and software running.

          Usually, they're doing themselves more harm than good, especially if they're not technical.

          Also, it's pretty unlikely recent college graduates would be able to tackle old C++ or Objective-C code written before they were born, in some cases, to keep something like AFP alive. Regardless of Apple’s financial success, it's not a good use of resources to keep a bespoke network protocol going that originated in 1985 that less than 1% of the installed base is actively using.

          [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Mac_OS_memory_manageme...

  • zimpenfish

    yesterday at 6:00 PM

    > You greatly under-estimate how much work it is to maintain old code, particularly to maintain in securely.

    cf Linux removing old network drivers this week for the same reason (without the hand-wringing that this Apple announcement is getting!)

    • saghm

      yesterday at 6:24 PM

      Is the code that Apple is removing support for open source? The Linux drivers could at least plausibly be picked up and used by someone who really wants to, so it doesn't seem to be a fair comparison

      • dwaite

        today at 9:35 AM

        The AFP protocol was deprecated in 2013. The AFP server was removed in Big Sur, so over five years ago. This is removal of AFP client support.

        Apple's source is not public, but the protocol is still fully documented if someone wanted to create a new client and server. https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Ne...

        However, they'd be better off just creating a driver and server around the open source Netatalk implementation.

I'm still using my time capsule. I don't really trust the hard drive inside of it, but I basically use it to connect to an SSD that I attached to it. Unfortunately, Nest Wi-Fi, that I use as a router doesn't have any USBs, unlike some cheaper routers. I know that it's, I know that it will be gone after Tahoe. I'm still not sure what I'm going to do about this. I mean, I don't really want to fool on us

I mean, it's basically just like a time machine backup plus, uh, a little bit of some older files that I don't want to keep on my main Mac.

seems like any NAS would take way more space than I would love to. I suppose one alternative would be actually getting some kind of like Beelink PC and then maybe setting up a proper home server, moving some of my side projects in there, running plex from it. The problem is that the current ram prices, it's a surprisingly expensive solution.

This update broke my workflow! I use Netatalk [1] with AFP to share files between my Macintosh 512ke and MacBook via AppleTalk.

Look, my setup works for me. Just add an option to re-enable AFP [2].

1. https://github.com/Netatalk/netatalk

2. https://xkcd.com/1172/

Wouldn't the TimeCapsules still work over wired connections, just like any other hard drive, even if the networking AFP protocol support is dropped?

• ibejoeb

  yesterday at 5:47 PM

  No, afp is application layer. It doesn't matter how the device is connected at layers 1 or 2.

  You could shuck the disk and use it directly, though. Then it's just a disk, not a time capsule.

Next: macOS iCloud backups and the eventual deprecation of local Time Machine backups altogether. More services revenue!

• GeekyBear

  yesterday at 4:11 PM

  Changing out the network protocol used for local network backups isn't the same thing as getting rid of local network backups.

  TFA:

  > Apple made SMB its primary file-sharing protocol in OS X 10.9 Mavericks, over 12 years ago, and has repeatedly told us that support for its predecessor AFP will be removed in the future.

  • apparatur

    yesterday at 4:35 PM

    Hence "next". And by local I meant directly connected drives.

    • dwaite

      today at 9:38 AM

      If the pattern continues, they'll announce deprecation this fall and remove the feature in 2039.

• angott

  yesterday at 4:17 PM

  I don’t think they’re going to drop support for local backups any time soon. There are lots of enterprise customers relying on Time Machine who will never switch to iCloud. TM can also be configured via MDM settings and is a really common solution for Mac IT administrators, so it would take ages to deprecate it.

  • apparatur

    yesterday at 4:43 PM

    "There are a lot of enterprise customers using Xcode server". And poof, it's gone and there's now only the Xcode cloud service. It would not take ages. It would take a single release which no longer supports it. Complaints? Keep using the old one or subscribe.

    • plorkyeran

      yesterday at 5:03 PM

      I am fairly confident in saying that approximately zero enterprise customers used Xcode server. It was extremely limited and targeted at small shops which didn't see the need for a proper CI setup but had an extra machine sitting around to run builds on.

    • pvtmert

      yesterday at 6:38 PM

      I think they switched to cloud because;

      - BigCo already is a zero-sum deal, they use Xcode-cloud as a service, which runs back on their servers anyway... (Google, Amazon, Azure, etc)

      - It was not a long-standing product. Introduced somewhere around 2016~ish if I remember correctly. Only lasted a few major releases. Easier to kill than an established one (ie. TimeMachine)

• Aurornis

  yesterday at 4:21 PM

  They switched the default protocol from AFP to SMB a long time ago.

  They aren’t deprecating Time Machine. The old protocol is being removed.

  The old protocol hasn’t worked well for a long time, at least in my experience

• bananamogul

  yesterday at 5:15 PM

  People have been asking for iCloud macOS backups since iCloud was introduced. It would be very popular. I'm not sure why Apple doesn't offer this, because it's easy revenue.

  • post-it

    yesterday at 5:44 PM

    Because people will fill their iClouds. An important value proposition of iCloud is that customers pay for more space than they need. Time Machine grows to fill all available space.

    • pmontra

      yesterday at 7:55 PM

      They could sell a separate service for Time Machine backups. I'm not an Apple customers so I don't know if it makes sense, but they could make customers pay X times the last N days in the backup plus Y times a number M of snapshots in the past.

      • post-it

        yesterday at 10:04 PM

        I wouldn't pay for it, so that's one data point.

        • fragmede

          today at 2:26 AM

          I would, so that's a second data point.

• kalleboo

  today at 4:09 AM

  I would have agreed if they hadn't put in the engineering effort to upgrade the backup disk image to APFS instead of HFS+. They wouldn't have done that if the plan was to deprecate it soon. (IIRC the next version of macOS is also dropping HFS+ support)

  Also it's honestly really weird that they don't have iCloud backups for Macs yet. It seems like a no-brainer feature. I know I would easily switch to Apple over Backblaze as Backblaze's client is just terrible.

• bayindirh

  yesterday at 4:09 PM

  As long as you can migrate/recover your Mac from your TM backup, I guess that this scenario won't happen.

• latchkey

  yesterday at 6:03 PM

  I like having control over my backups.

  I've been working on improving an open source menubar that wraps restic. Right now it is a bit rough around the edges, but my plan is to have a simple onboarding experience for various backend services like B2.

  Over the weekend, I added a "Smart backups" feature that uses all the same directories that the backblaze menubar app and timemachine excludes. This was the primary missing feature for me. It even generates and backups your Brewfile...

  https://github.com/lookfirst/ResticScheduler

• AlexandrB

  yesterday at 4:00 PM

  The story of TimeMachine is a tragedy: a revolutionary feature that made backups accessible for normal people allowed to lie fallow for a decade or more until it's as annoying and unreliable as anything else. I now use Carbon Copy Cloner to avoid the TM headaches.

  • rudcodex

    yesterday at 9:41 PM

    Good nudge to look into using CCC. Which folders do you backup? It seems slower than TM so thinking of backing up home folder only

  • FireBeyond

    yesterday at 4:08 PM

    I never found it to be overly reliable. It was reliable... for a while. Then would silently fail/stop working, or just tell you that it had stopped working and that whatever you had in it was no longer accessible.

    And then I went to Acronis True Image backing up to my Synology NAS, but that became unreliable too - oftentimes when I'd go to do a restore, the client would crash trying to read the catalog.

    So, like you... CCC nightly to my Synology, with a Snapshot rotation on it - snapshot the previous night's backup at 8pm, and then kick off that night's backup at 11pm.

    • tonyedgecombe

      yesterday at 7:27 PM

      It was unreliable over SMB. Not surprising when you look at what it was doing. It would create a virtual drive on the share, map that and backup to it. There was too much going on for that to be reliable.

      • rincebrain

        today at 10:01 AM

        Not really.

        I've loopback mounted disk images over network filesystems for many years without any recurring issues outside of macOS. It's not rocket science, particularly if you have a reliable network connection.

        I'm aware there's a long tail of possible issues that can come up, but most of the complaints I've seen amount to "I have a reliable connection and Time Machine is still a tire fire", which suggests that the problem exists outside of that particular set of edge cases.

        (It seems to genuinely be that nobody at Apple really cares about network filesystems at this point - people in this thread talking up AFP makes me want to look at migrating _to_ using it for my mac's backups, because SMB on macOS randomly drops or hangs for no reason and Time Machine at least twice has just started stating the backup was completely unreadable, leading to me having to restore the backup filesystem from backups.

        And attempting to use NFS on macOS somehow makes everything three times as buggy, like they special cased SMB shares to not be touched in some random "touch everything synchronously" calls throughout the OS but didn't do it with NFS shares, so Finder will now take seconds or minutes to do things that shouldn't involve that share, but as soon as you remove it, it stops doing so.)

    • apparatur

      yesterday at 4:38 PM

      For me it was a key DB file inside the Photo library which Time Machine omitted from all backups and prevented me from restoring the library. Not fun.

    • AlexandrB

      yesterday at 5:27 PM

      Yeah, you may be right. I have fond memories of it from around 2008, but those might be from the initial experience and not all the "you need to recreate your back from scratch" errors that would crop up after a while.

• semiquaver

  yesterday at 4:28 PM

  This is reflexive and ill-considered FUD. Be better.

  • gjvc

    yesterday at 5:22 PM

    also known as "prescient"

• walrus01

  yesterday at 4:15 PM

  > Next: macOS iCloud backups and the eventual deprecation of local Time Machine backups altogether. More services revenue!

  The "new computer" out of box account creation and first sign in experience on both Windows 11 and MacOS are clearly designed to drive end users towards perpetual for life monthly recurring subscriptions for (Microsoft 365 Personal, OneDrive, iCloud storage, etc).

  Imagine the difficulty for the ordinary non technical person (absolutely not a stereotypical HN reader) ever being able to stop paying for iCloud when they have 600GB+ of their family photos and videos and stuff backed up to it.

  • AlexandrB

    yesterday at 5:35 PM

    > Imagine the difficulty for the ordinary non technical person (absolutely not a stereotypical HN reader) ever being able to stop paying for iCloud when they have 600GB+ of their family photos and videos and stuff backed up to it.

    To be fair, non technical folks get a lot of value from this scheme too. I can't imagine many of my relatives successfully juggling backups and external media in a way that would actually keep their content safe in case their phone is lost/stolen/destroyed.

    Right now the monthly fees for this stuff are rather modest, but I could see a future where the dominant players lock out competitors and use their market position to raise prices significantly.

• yesterday at 3:58 PM

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Ubiquiti is really taking up the slack in some areas Apple has abandoned.

I bought a UNAS-2 (and a couple of 12 TB IronWolf Pro drives) a few months ago when the "time capsule will not be supported in a future version of macOS" warning first appeared. It has been outstanding alongside the rest of my UniFi setup, and perfectly supports Time Machine backups. The UniFi Identity macOS app means my family's computers always stay authenticated/connected and my wife & kids don't have to do anything to make Time Machine just work.

If you're a power user who loves the Apple aesthetic and you already have a UniFi setup at home, you'll feel right at home switching from Time Capsule to a UNAS.

• jshier

  yesterday at 6:05 PM

  What format is the destination drive? My ideal is APFS clone backups to a remote drive, but I don't know if there are any network setups that support that, even though you can do it to a local drive.

  • nijave

    yesterday at 7:56 PM

    I was under the impression that's how SMB TimeMachine backups work currently

• Melatonic

  yesterday at 5:00 PM

  Have you tried it also working to backup files from Linux and windows machines ? Was hoping for a good mixed backup solution and I'm getting Ubiquiti would deliver here.

  Also why the 12TB ironwolf drives specifically ? Personally I always was a fan of buying true enterprise (the ones designed for "online" or near line storage) but sometimes specific models and sizes of random drives do very well in Backblaze testing

  • TimTheTinker

    yesterday at 6:50 PM

    I don't have any Linux/Windows machines, but I've seen nothing that would dissuade me from using it when I eventually migrate my current laptop to Asahi Linux.

    As for IronWolf Pro drives, I chose them because they seem to have similar longevity to enterprise drives with less noise (my equipment is in a closet under the stairs).

Does the mac still lack a SMB/CIFS browser?

I was shocked years ago that the mac, famous for its early network peer discovery and zeroconf and all, couldn't present a list of SMB servers and shares despite that kind of function being around forever on every other platform in existence.

• zdw

  yesterday at 4:31 PM

  macOS has a Network location in the sidebar that will show other SMB devices discovered on the network.

• hamdingers

  yesterday at 4:41 PM

  Must have been a lot of years ago since Samba was introduced in Jaguar (2002), and SMB replaced AFP as the default for file sharing as of Mavericks (2013).

• slackfan

  yesterday at 4:31 PM

  It's had it since before version 10.4, though it wasn't fantastic, I'll give you that.