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Wiz joins Google

138 points - today at 2:58 PM

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  • seanieb

    today at 4:50 PM

    Congrats to to the Wiz team. Wiz is amazing. But, ugh, joining Google will result in less competition and all that entails. Not great for customers.

    It's a pity going public isn't worth it anymore.

      • dlev_pika

        today at 5:13 PM

        > will result in less competition

        The system working as intended.

        “Competition is for losers” - Peter Thiel

          • tipiirai

            today at 6:09 PM

            Thiel is an idiot

              • palmotea

                today at 6:18 PM

                >> “Competition is for losers” - Peter Thiel

                > Thiel is an idiot

                Sounds more like he's selfish, perhaps to an unusual degree. Monopoly is great for the monopolist. For everyone else? Not so much.

                • Bombthecat

                  today at 6:17 PM

                  But very rich...

                • ToucanLoucan

                  today at 6:37 PM

                  Maybe we should examine as an industry why so many mediocre men get elevated to positions of incredible power and run great businesses into the ground.

                    • atmosx

                      today at 7:42 PM

                      Luck (primarily) and connections. We feel psychologically safe believing there is some determinism _in the world_. But there's none. Studies show that you can have 140 IQ and still end up homeless if circumstances are poor.

                        • gbacon

                          today at 8:19 PM

                          > Luck (primarily)

                          This is an extraordinary claim. What is your extraordinary evidence?

                          Why didn’t it rain today? Good luck! Why was Michael Jordan so skillful at basketball? Just good luck. Why is Linux better than Windows? Good luck! Why did VMS fall off? Bad luck. Why does 2 + 2 = 4? I guess just good luck.

                          These are all laughably incurious, superstitious answers. Other factors must be at play. Yes, identifying them may require hard thinking and concentration.

                          Otherwise, what is democracy other than selecting the luckiest? We already had strange women lying in ponds distributing swords for that — and much cheaper and quicker to boot.

                          > Studies show that you can have 140 IQ and still end up homeless if circumstances are poor.

                          We’ve likely all known people who were book smart but didn’t have good walking-around sense. Everyone knows others who make poor or destructive choices. The interpersonal skills, soft skills, and emotional intelligence being dismissed in this thread as mere “luck and connections” may be severely lacking. The person may have poor mental health or addiction.

                          Are you using determinism in the automata theory sense or some other?

                      • Borg3

                        today at 6:55 PM

                        Connections... It was always like this..

                        • lkjdsklf

                          today at 7:24 PM

                          The same way mediocre men have been elevated for thousands of years.

                          A combination of being in the right place at the right time and connections to people with money

                          • nsjdjdekkddk

                            today at 7:24 PM

                            surely you can make a couple billion from mothing given you are so smart

                              • Flatterer3544

                                today at 7:34 PM

                                Who said you need to be great in an area to tell the difference between competent and incompetent?

                                While it helps, it doesn't take a genius to tell the difference. Picking the great from the great apart, that'd be another story all together.

                • 999900000999

                  today at 4:55 PM

                  Someone else will rise to compete.

                  Then Google will buy them too.

                  • alephnerd

                    today at 5:09 PM

                    > It's a pity going public isn't worth it anymore.

                    Israeli VCs tend to be uninterested in IPOs in general - too much of an operational headache and it's difficult to exit a position quickly.

                    In most cases an IPO isn't worth it for founders because an IPO means you lose operational control. It's basically the "Rich versus Kings" dichotomy [0].

                    Edit: can't reply

                    > you can control the share allocations going into an IPO to give you solid voting power

                    Investors do not like that - they want some degree of operational control in order to right the ship if needed.

                    In the early 2010s, IPOs like Tesla and Facebook were on terms that gave outside investors little control on operations and that's why Musk and even Zuckerberg to a certain extent can choose to reorient to a new boondoggle with little-to-no investor pushback.

                    In 2026 if you want to IPO, it will be on the terms of JPMC, GS, etc who are underwriting the IPO.

                    In a private company, it's easier for an investor to offload or get bought out of their position if the founder wants to maintain operational control.

                    > While you’re accountable to a board of directors and theoretically accountable to stockholders, in reality management often runs the show

                    In publicly listed companies, it is magnitudes more difficult to build a board that is aligned with you at a personal level versus in a private company because both the board and strategic shareholders will act as checks against you.

                    > If you’re acquired, you’re giving up ownership and you tend to lose operational control unless you have agreements in place that say otherwise

                    An acquisition happens when both the founders and investors want to exit, and has less operational overhead and due dilligence versus going thru the process of an IPO in the US.

                    > This is counterintuitive to me

                    Well, that's the reality. This is why Stripe, Databricks, and others have remained private for so long despite having hit IPO-level metrics years ago. If you're already generating high 9 to low 10 figures a year in revenue, you can remain private indefinetly and as a founder you would be able to give yourself a compensation package comparable to a public company, but with much less oversight and stress.

                    > Interesting, why is this more true of Israeli VC's as opposed to VC's in other markets

                    Significantly less capital.

                    "Big" funds like YL Ventures, Cyberstarts, and JVP only have an AUM of $800M, $1.4B, and $1.9B respectively.

                    And if you were going to IPO in the US anyhow, why would you even invest in an Israeli fund, which wouldn't have enough people with experience for an IPO.

                    And the handful of Israeli IPOs that happened like SentinelOne or CyberArk weren't that successful.

                    [0] - https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=38550

                      • moregrist

                        today at 5:43 PM

                        > In most cases an IPO isn't worth it for founders because an IPO means you lose operational control.

                        This is counterintuitive to me.

                        If you’re acquired, you’re giving up ownership and you tend to lose operational control unless you have agreements in place that say otherwise.

                        With an IPO it seems like you have a better chance to retain control: you can control the share allocations going into an IPO to give you solid voting power. While you’re accountable to a board of directors and theoretically accountable to stockholders, in reality management often runs the show, at least until the board runs out of patience with bad earnings.

                          • SilverElfin

                            today at 5:59 PM

                            The problem is if you go public as a small company, it can be hard to survive. You need to meet expectations every time you do an earnings call or watch your stock get crushed, and it’ll never be given another chance. The burdens are also a lot higher in terms of the cost.

                            You don’t really see companies under $10 billion going public anymore. That may continue to be the case, but it’s terrible for entrepreneurs.

                        • femiagbabiaka

                          today at 6:37 PM

                          > Israeli VCs tend to be uninterested in IPOs in general - too much of an operational headache and it's difficult to exit a position quickly.

                          Interesting, why is this more true of Israeli VC's as opposed to VC's in other markets?

                      • SilverElfin

                        today at 5:57 PM

                        The lack of competition is at this point choice American politicians and the voters. They should be breaking up mega corporations or at least taxing them at really high rates.

                        Instead, it looks like all the existing incumbents will just continue to rule over society. They have capital, monopolies, and the moats of distribution channels and contracts with their current customers. There is no fair competition - they’ll just replicate your clever product easily.

                    • 85392_school

                      today at 6:24 PM

                      This isn't a new observation [0] but this means Google will now have two Wizes, since Wiz is also the name of their internal web framework [1].

                      [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43399077

                      [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41092039

                      • tptacek

                        today at 5:21 PM

                        This is the announcement of the completion of an acquisition that began a year ago.

                        • debarshri

                          today at 4:18 PM

                          Google SecOps (Chronicle) is becoming quite popular among the cybersec world. I think eventually there should be an integration play. It is also a way to create wedge into AWS and Azure customers.

                        • StartupsWala

                          today at 5:20 PM

                          The interesting part is that Wiz built its success largely on being cloud-agnostic. If Google keeps it that way, it becomes a strategic window into AWS and Azure workloads.

                          If they don’t, they risk destroying the very advantage that made Wiz valuable in the first place.

                          • love2read

                            today at 5:08 PM

                            Extra shade thrown at MoltBook (listed first) which was recently acq by Meta.

                            • whobre

                              today at 4:43 PM

                              For a second I thought it was Woz who was joining Google


                                • duckmysick

                                  today at 7:14 PM

                                  I thought it was WiZ of the lightbulbs fame. Figured they were going all in their smart home approach. But yeah, the other Wiz makes more sense.

                                  • giancarlostoro

                                    today at 5:03 PM

                                    Maybe someone typod in an email "I want you to buy woz" the i and o are next to each other on the keyboard. ;)

                                • myth_drannon

                                  today at 7:26 PM

                                  Interesting fact regarding the sale. Because the founders are about to receive $2.4B US, Israeli tax authorities got involved, and the tax on the sale as exception will be paid in US dollars directly without converting to shekels due to concerns it might crash the US/NIS exchange rate (with $US already historically low).

                                  • bojangleslover

                                    today at 6:17 PM

                                    Didn’t this happen a long time ago?

                                  • pbiggar

                                    today at 5:08 PM

                                    Good time to remember that Wiz' VC was accused of paying bribes to CISOs to buy their portfolio's software (of which Wiz is one).

                                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/iainmartin/2024/10/28/this-vc-b...

                                    > Two security executives told Forbes they rejected overtures from Raanan’s team after hearing about the firm’s “menu” of compensation. “I was completely aghast. It was against my principles,” one said.

                                    • redbell

                                      today at 4:40 PM

                                      Wiz joins Waze & Waymo.. there's something suspicious with the letter W here :)

                                        • omoikane

                                          today at 6:52 PM

                                          There aren't that many Alphabet acquisitions[1] that start with "W", compared to all the companies that start with "A":

                                                1 2
                                                1 6
                                                1 @
                                               28 A
                                               15 B
                                                8 C
                                               18 D
                                                6 E
                                               10 F
                                               10 G
                                                4 H
                                                9 I
                                                5 J
                                                5 K
                                                8 L
                                               14 M
                                                8 N
                                               10 O
                                               22 P
                                                4 Q
                                               13 R
                                               27 S
                                               12 T
                                                3 U
                                                5 V
                                                9 W
                                                1 Y
                                                8 Z
                                          
                                          Normalizing these counts with respect to English character frequencies that appear in text[2], the top three unexpected company initials appear to be "Q", "J", and "P".

                                          [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitio...

                                          [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_frequency

                                          • 0_____0

                                            today at 4:58 PM

                                            Wiz and Waze are both Israeli companies. Not that suspicious, I think it probably just sounds better in Hebrew.

                                              • sokz

                                                today at 5:12 PM

                                                Wix too. Very interesting that founders of Waze and Wix have Unit 8200 pedigree and Wiz co-founder was part of an elite recruitment program in the IDF. On account of the mandatory draft, it was bound to happen but those three companies have very similar names as well.

                                                  • alephnerd

                                                    today at 5:14 PM

                                                    Everyone in Israel who is entrepreneurial tries to self-select into 8200 - it's the equivalent of American high schoolers who want to enter VC and tech entrepreneurship targeting CS@Stanford.

                                                    In Israel, the university you attended matters less than the unit you served. For example, if you want to become a senior politician, you join Sayeret Matkal and if you want to become an academic you end up in Talpiot (which the founders of Wiz are alums of).

                                                    8200s success is largely due to a couple early exits by 8200 alums (Gili Raanan, Nir Zuk, Shlomo Kramer) who were biased in recruiting from their unit. 8200 alums aren't better or worse than other Israelis - they just have a better network.

                                                    And Israel has multiple SIGINT and offensive/defensive cybersecurity units, all of whom created similar networks as well.

                                                      • sokz

                                                        today at 5:22 PM

                                                        Network effects wasn't what I considered although I should have.

                                                          • alephnerd

                                                            today at 5:24 PM

                                                            It's the same in the US as well - if you join the right divisions and units and take advantage of educational programs with the GI Bill, you will open a lot of doors professionally speaking.

                                                              • bigyabai

                                                                today at 5:32 PM

                                                                I'm sure the Room 641A employees have an excellent professional network, but I'm still going to judge them on a personal level.

                                                • darth_aardvark

                                                  today at 5:09 PM

                                                  Unlikely, since modern Hebrew doesn't have a letter for "w".

                                                    • 1-more

                                                      today at 6:44 PM

                                                      It has vav which gets transliterated as v, u, o, or w. How does the average modern Hebrew speaker pronounce these company names in a sentence? Vix, Vayz, Viz? Is the "w" transliteration an example of Latin to Hebrew transliteration but not vice-versa?

                                                        • edanm

                                                          today at 7:57 PM

                                                          It's pronounced the same as in English. Wiz, Waze, Wix. It's written with "double vav" in Hebrew, not just a single vav which would make it read as Viz.

                                                      • bonesss

                                                        today at 5:23 PM

                                                        Is it possible the foreignness makes ‘W’ appealing as it signals cool modern tech alignment or something?

                                                        Like how ‘X’ attracts marketing and typographic knuckle-draggers in English, or how all our AI companies have butthole logos for reasons that only make sense if you understand the underlying companies and culture.

                                                          • darth_aardvark

                                                            today at 6:28 PM

                                                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_of_Israel#W

                                                            There's 5 of them, two of which happen to have been acquired by Google. Fair to say it's likely a coincidence.

                                                            Interestingly, they all use "vav vav" as the start of their Hebrew names. "Vav" is the hebrew letter for V, so it's kind of like using VV to represent W.

                                                            Maybe you're right, and it's a stylistic thing! My knowledge of Hebrew ends in Hebrew school, and that mostly focused on blessing and prayers over startup naming.

                                                              • edanm

                                                                today at 8:00 PM

                                                                Despite commenting on this literally five seconds ago in the sibling comment, I hadn't made the connection that if "vav" is V, then using "vav vav" is like "VV" which is like "W". I wonder if this is a real thing.

                                                                In any case, I'm pretty sure it's just a coincidence, I don't think it's a stylistic thing, unless I'm missing something.

                                                        • 0_____0

                                                          today at 5:54 PM

                                                          Oof, you got me there!

                                                  • JoshTriplett

                                                    today at 4:48 PM

                                                    They could put up a page for all three acquisitions, under "www".

                                                    • xnorswap

                                                      today at 4:44 PM

                                                      W = Winners, it's just science ;)

                                                      I bet someone has actually studied the effect of leading letters in startup names and funding & acquisitions, I vaguely seem to remember a story about it in the past.

                                                        • yomismoaqui

                                                          today at 5:26 PM

                                                          Also wankers, just saying...

                                                      • today at 4:51 PM

                                                        • kps

                                                          today at 5:07 PM

                                                          Title should be: Wiz Waz

                                                          • paxys

                                                            today at 6:03 PM

                                                            RIP Wave

                                                        • vvpan

                                                          today at 6:09 PM

                                                          No reactions beside: monopolies are bad for innovation and why we cannot have nice things. You might hear some people say "but these big companies innovate". They were mostly done innovating two decades ago, now they just snuff out innovation and acquisition is one of their main tools.

                                                            • mainecoder

                                                              today at 6:28 PM

                                                              well if you are waiting for the monopolies to be broken don't wait they will not be broken monopolies are here to stay, capitalistism for the rich and socialism also for the rich they best thing you can do is be rich yourself

                                                          • PunchTornado

                                                            today at 4:11 PM

                                                            I don't understand Google's play here. Does it want Wiz to be a unique offer for GCP customers? or they will keep it cloud agnostic?

                                                              • jcims

                                                                today at 4:49 PM

                                                                Wiz customer here, when fully implemented it provides an incredibly detailed and comprehensive view of your infrastructure.

                                                                I'm curious how much of that information is going to pass between Wiz and Google Cloud product/sales. It's effectively x-ray vision into some huge workloads running on their competitors.

                                                                  • torginus

                                                                    today at 5:04 PM

                                                                    Is this like Darktrace?

                                                                    Apparently the cybersec bigwigs at our company love it, but for me I have to write a detailed explaination why another 'incident report' the clueless cybersecurity guys keep bothering me with is actually nonsense.

                                                                      • alephnerd

                                                                        today at 5:11 PM

                                                                        Nope. Darktrace is crap verging on fraud. Wiz actually solves tangible CSPM and runtime issues.

                                                                    • rabidonrails

                                                                      today at 5:08 PM

                                                                      >>It's effectively x-ray vision into some huge workloads running on their competitors.

                                                                      I wonder if there are antitrust lawyers watching this closely. Would be really interesting to get their perspective on this.

                                                                  • d4mi3n

                                                                    today at 4:14 PM

                                                                    Probably a diversification play and a play to see out bigger contracts. If you've worked in the FEDRamp space, you may be aware that Wiz (last a checked, a year or so ago) is one of the few and possibly ownly player certified to operate in FedRAMP Medium/High deployments operating with the technology it does (eBPF instrumentation).

                                                                      • scottyah

                                                                        today at 5:21 PM

                                                                        Google has really been expanding into DoD lately. I think they're realizing it's a large part of why AWS is so big and Azure is still alive.

                                                                    • raw_anon_1111

                                                                      today at 4:23 PM

                                                                      Thats the entire purpose, the reality is that large corporations are increasingly “multi cloud” and Google wants to have an offering for them and for companies that are on AWS and Azure to be able to move some of their workloads to GCP.

                                                                      AWS and GCP also made a joint announcement about multi cloud networking for a similar reason

                                                                      https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/networking-and-content-delivery...

                                                                      • tw04

                                                                        today at 4:21 PM

                                                                        >or they will keep it cloud agnostic?

                                                                        They grossly overpaid if they aren't keeping it cloud agnostic. It's impressive software, but if it's only compatible with GCP it will not survive in this space.

                                                                        • aberoham

                                                                          today at 4:19 PM

                                                                          I'm really hoping this means GCP Security Command Center quickly gets subsumed by Wiz

                                                                            • htrp

                                                                              today at 4:50 PM

                                                                              you mean there will now be three products instead of two

                                                                              Google Security Center Wiz Google Agentic Wiz Security

                                                                          • newsclues

                                                                            today at 4:34 PM

                                                                            Make it easy to use google cloud and plug into google ai

                                                                            • cmrdporcupine

                                                                              today at 4:50 PM

                                                                              If you think Google is capable of making a singular coherent decision on a topic like this, you're dreaming. There's likely multiple competing visions.

                                                                              That said: the goal with Google M&A remains the same as always. Take competition off the board. I don't know this company or how they compete with Google, but 80% chance that's the play.

                                                                              They are culturally incapable of merging other people's tech into their own stack and have both the tendency to rewrite everything from scratch on their own bespoke technologies and also internal engineering teams that will bristle at having a foreign body invade their cathedral.

                                                                              You could say it would be talent acquisition but most everyone who comes from a startup walks as soon as their golden handcuffs loosen and they can find something else to do. Going from startup to Google is usually torturous.

                                                                              Been through this 15 years ago. I don't think anything has changed.

                                                                                • breppp

                                                                                  today at 5:53 PM

                                                                                  > goal with Google M&A remains the same as always. Take competition off the board. I don't know this company or how they compete with Google, but 80% chance that's the play

                                                                                  I don't think that's true here (what is the competing google product exactly?) or generally in cloud acquisitions, that generally buy into their platform missing features

                                                                                    • ragall

                                                                                      today at 7:30 PM

                                                                                      The competing Google features are not a distinct product with its own name, but rather many separate features one can enable, like container image scanning. Collectively, it doesn't do all that Wiz offers, but it's still there.

                                                                                      • cmrdporcupine

                                                                                        today at 5:57 PM

                                                                                        It's true that Cloud has behaved a bit different from Classic Google

                                                                            • aerodog

                                                                              today at 6:16 PM

                                                                              Wasn't this acquisition just a bit money laundering operation from Israel?

                                                                              • napolux

                                                                                today at 4:07 PM

                                                                                Congrats!

                                                                                • Alex3917

                                                                                  today at 4:09 PM

                                                                                  Not to be confused with Google’s existing product called Wiz.

                                                                                    • jsheard

                                                                                      today at 4:13 PM

                                                                                      Or the Wiz IoT company, which seems like something Google might assimilate into Nest, but they didn't.

                                                                                        • pwr22

                                                                                          today at 4:50 PM

                                                                                          Or the GP2X Wiz handheld (which will be forever what comes to mind first for me )

                                                                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X_Wiz

                                                                                          • jtmetcalfe

                                                                                            today at 5:53 PM

                                                                                            I thought so too at first, which would make sense as Nest does everything except lighting...

                                                                                        • Arainach

                                                                                          today at 4:13 PM

                                                                                          I'd argue an internal framework isn't a "product", but the confusion is real.

                                                                                      • flipped

                                                                                        today at 5:29 PM

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                                                                                        • pbiggar

                                                                                          today at 4:59 PM

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                                                                                            • breppp

                                                                                              today at 5:56 PM

                                                                                              lol Let me tell you something even more worrying, Google, Apple, Amazon, Meta and Microsoft already have larger engineering centers in Israel than most of Europe.

                                                                                              And over 90% of their workers served in the IDF! And many more in Israeli Intelligence! and they're also mostly Jewish!

                                                                                              Spooky stuff, our ads will never be safe now

                                                                                                • shilgapira

                                                                                                  today at 7:26 PM

                                                                                                  Oy vey!

                                                                                                  You've got to love how spewing such casual bigotry against random people doesn't ring any alarm bells for people like this Paul person. I'm sure he considers himself a "progressive" lol.

                                                                                                    • myth_drannon

                                                                                                      today at 7:32 PM

                                                                                                      This guy has quite a history, no surprise. Check his twitter.

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                                                                                                • weatherlite

                                                                                                  today at 5:14 PM

                                                                                                  Link doesn't work

                                                                                                    • pbiggar

                                                                                                      today at 5:22 PM

                                                                                                      It seems to be working for me.

                                                                                                  • klyonrad

                                                                                                    today at 5:07 PM

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                                                                                                      • dttze

                                                                                                        today at 5:09 PM

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                                                                                                • kolanos

                                                                                                  today at 4:52 PM

                                                                                                  Didn't this happen a year ago? [0] Or did this deal just take a year?

                                                                                                  [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43398518

                                                                                                    • eloisant

                                                                                                      today at 4:55 PM

                                                                                                      Did you read the article? First line: "Nearly a year ago, we shared that Wiz would be joining Google."

                                                                                                        • SoberSky

                                                                                                          today at 4:57 PM

                                                                                                          Who reads articles these days?

                                                                                                            • officeplant

                                                                                                              today at 5:57 PM

                                                                                                              Just the bots so that HN posters can ask them for slop replies to stuff they don't understand.

                                                                                                  • XCSme

                                                                                                    today at 4:33 PM

                                                                                                    Not related to my https://uxwizz.com xD

                                                                                                      • jtmetcalfe

                                                                                                        today at 4:36 PM

                                                                                                        I thought it was about home automation at first https://www.wizconnected.com/

                                                                                                          • mkehrt

                                                                                                            today at 4:53 PM

                                                                                                            Same--I was worried my lightbulbs might be deprecated!