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Building a Procedural Hex Map with Wave Function Collapse

191 points - today at 5:02 PM

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  • rhdunn

    today at 6:24 PM

    Oskar StĂĄlberg used wave function collapse for various games, including Townscaper. He talks about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxeo9c-PX-w&pp=ygUhdG93bnNjY... (SGC21- Oskar StĂĄlberg - Beyond Townscapers).

    • porphyra

      today at 6:43 PM

      The post glosses over the "backtracking" and says they just limit it to 500 steps but actually constraint programming is an extremely interesting and complicated field with lots of cool algorithms and tricks. In this case we could solve it with Knuth's Algorithm X [1] with dancing links, which is a special kind of backtracking. Algorithm X should, in theory, be able to solve the border region described in the article's "Layer 2" with a higher success rate as opposed to 86%.

      Furthermore, various heuristics can speed up the backtracking a lot compared to a brute force approach. As anyone who has implemented a Sudoku solver can attest, a brute force backtracking is easy to implement but will immediately get bogged down with slowness.

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuth%27s_Algorithm_X

      • jcalx

        today at 6:31 PM

        Reminds me of Jasper Flick's Unity tutorial on hex terrain [0] which is similarly wonderfully detailed. Interesting contrast: this project uses premade tiles and constraint solving to match tile boundaries, while that one dynamically generates tile boundaries (geometries, blending, etc.) on the fly. Both enjoyable reads!

        [0] https://catlikecoding.com/unity/tutorials/hex-map/

        • xipho

          today at 5:48 PM

          Inspirational stuff, with lots of great references to the OGs at the bottom, and source available. Now can it be merged with the look/feel of https://heredragonsabound.blogspot.com/. ;)

          • jesse__

            today at 5:58 PM

            Love this.

            As an aside, if the author reads this, did you consider using bitfields for the superposition state (ie, what options are available for a tile)? I did a wfc implementation a while back and moved to bitfields after a while.. the speedup was incredible. It became faster to just recompute a chunk from scratch than backtrack because the inner loop was nearly completely branchless. I think my chunks were 100 tiles cubed or something.

            • schemathings

              today at 6:15 PM

              OP is probably familiar but this site has a lot of good examples of hex math with code examples - https://www.redblobgames.com/grids/hexagons/

                • zparky

                  today at 6:25 PM

                  They link to that site in the post

                    • schemathings

                      today at 6:36 PM

                      Ah I read it but missed it!

              • OscarCunningham

                today at 7:26 PM

                It seems like a lot of the difficulty is in finding arrangements that satisfy constraints. I wonder if an alternative approach would be to use a SAT solver. I suppose the problem with that approach would be that the solver might always find an 'easy' solution that doesn't look random. I know that some SAT solvers let you randomly assign the initial assignments of the variables, but that doesn't mean you get a random solution. Has anyone tried a similar approach?

                  • teamonkey

                    today at 7:45 PM

                    I think the problem with SAT solvers is that they’re complicated, in terms of computation and also how easy it is to understand by someone who didn’t study formal methods.

                    WFC is brute-force-simple, but because it’s simple it’s quite computationally inexpensive (unless it hits a lot of dead-ends) and I wouldn’t be surprised if it could often find an adequate solution quicker than a SAT solver. At least for games, where a result doesn’t need to be perfect, just good enough.

                • ionwake

                  today at 7:07 PM

                  This is absolutely beautiful, I could even tell I was going to like it from the title. Good job.

                  • tomtomistaken

                    today at 6:12 PM

                    Reminds me of Dorfromantik[0].

                    [0] https://store.steampowered.com/app/1455840/Dorfromantik/

                  • btbuildem

                    today at 7:18 PM

                    I really like the part where you can "reroll" sub-areas of each tile. Consider exposing some of the weight knobs (eg, I'd like to tweak it to favour mountainous terrain)!

                    • jcul

                      today at 6:33 PM

                      That "Carcassonne" game sounds really fun. I'd never heard of it before.

                      • kevinsync

                        today at 6:14 PM

                        Super awesome, love the tilt-shift camera effect!

                        I was also wishing I could zoom in to human size and run around HAHAHA

                        • contextfree

                          today at 5:44 PM

                          "Stop playing your AI garbage and get to bed!" "Mooooom! It's not AI garbage, it's classical procedurally generated content!"

                          • nickandbro

                            today at 5:55 PM

                            This looks amazing man, seriously good job with this.

                            • westurner

                              today at 6:46 PM

                              Model synthesis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_synthesis :

                              > Model synthesis (also wave function collapse or 'wfc') is a family of constraint-solving algorithms commonly used in procedural generation, especially in the video game industry.

                              > [...] One of the differences between Merrell & Gumin's implementation and 'wave function collapse' lies in the decision of which cell to 'collapse' next. Merrell's implementation uses a scanline approach, whereas Gumin's always selects as next cell the one with the lowest number of possible outcomes

                              And then `## Developments` mentions:

                              "Hierarchical semantic wave function collapse" (2023) Alaska, Bidarra: .. citations of: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=1671019743611687613...

                              • bobek

                                today at 5:59 PM

                                Made me smile. Thank you!

                                • MattDamonSpace

                                  today at 5:21 PM

                                  Gorgeous

                                  • ArcaneMoose

                                    today at 6:04 PM

                                    Beautiful work!

                                    • behnam_amiri

                                      today at 6:16 PM

                                      This is cool. Curious if you plan on keep it as a map generator or turn it into something more interactive too.

                                      • verdverm

                                        today at 5:48 PM

                                        Related (?) has anyone else been following the Hytale Worldgen v2? They've built a visual node editor so anyone can create biomes, structures, or complete worlds. I believe there is a competition going on right now.

                                        They are essentially making the entire game based on similar concepts and then using them to develop their core content. Simon is an inspiration and has said they won't be taking investor money so they can stay true to the users and creators.

                                        • gedy

                                          today at 5:41 PM

                                          Real engineering skills, I love it.

                                          • moi2388

                                            today at 6:01 PM

                                            This entire article reads like it was fully written by AI unfortunately

                                              • imadr

                                                today at 6:29 PM

                                                Is it the em dashes? I didn't get the feeling it was AI generated at all

                                                  • zparky

                                                    today at 6:38 PM

                                                    It's current year, of course they used AI to help [0], and it does feel like the article was AI assited.

                                                    "This map isn't flat — it has 5 levels of elevation."

                                                    "The ocean isn't just a blue plane — it has animated caustic sparkles"

                                                    "The fundamental issue:" and "The key constraint:"

                                                    I still enjoyed the article.

                                                    [0] https://github.com/felixturner/hex-map-wfc/commit/1679be