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Entomologists use a particle accelerator to image ants at scale

103 points - yesterday at 3:53 PM

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  • socalgal2

    today at 1:03 AM

    Looking forward to a three.js visualization

    • khalic

      yesterday at 6:37 PM

      They’re all muscle inside, fascinating

        • catlikesshrimp

          today at 12:08 AM

          That was my first impression. But then I thought in humans, and concluded ants have less muscle % of volume

          Less muscle than us by ANY measure would be mindblowing for beings who can carry up to 100 times their weight, compared to ~ 1-2 we can.

          I can't give any appreciation of muscle % of weight. I don't know how heavy is chiting armor/exoskeleton.

            • trhway

              today at 12:20 AM

              https://sites.nd.edu/biomechanics-in-the-wild/2024/11/06/ant...

              "Scaling laws indicate that smaller organisms, such as ants, benefit from a greater strength-to-size ratio, partly due to the favorable scaling of muscle cross-sectional area relative to body mass. A 2023 study by Clemente and Dick emphasizes that while larger organisms have more total muscle mass, the strength per unit mass decreases with increasing size due to scaling effects."

              To me it hit home when i recognized that high frequency 200Hz+ wing beat by say a bee - which we tend to think about as extremely "fast" - still have only about 5m/s wing tip speed - which is actually very slow and thus extremely efficient, and orders of magnitude more efficient than say helicopter blades (or even small drone props) having tip speed at 200m/s. (Note: that is even without taking into account different air viscosity, Rayleigh number, at that scale. Different air and fluid viscosities at those scales and different relative scales of surface tension and capillary forces - microfluidics so to speak - are also what insects are heavily optimized for and take advantage of.)

              To illustrate - similar to bee efficiency at the scale of the human body - human powered helicopter - 150 feet span https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zNrCbcQVmuE . Note that while similar to the bee wing efficiency is achieved at that scale, the human power density is lower than the bee's, so it can fly only for short periods of time that that top cyclist can produce his highest power.

              The scaling laws also dictate exoskeleton being more efficient than internal skeleton for the small bodies like the insects' ones, and also the breathing by the decentralized system of spiracles than by the centralized internal lungs.

          • trhway

            yesterday at 11:55 PM

            specifically head, and it is that big for that reason. I mean it is logical, yet i have never even thought about that until seeing those images. They are basically working and killing machines.

              • catlikesshrimp

                today at 12:13 AM

                You should see bull ants and stinger meat eating black ants perfectly peeling an unripe mango peel. Both the work finesse of the work and the fact they eat precisely the part which I don't.

                (Sometimes they also eat the pulp. But they always eat more peel than anything)

        • FarmerPotato

          yesterday at 8:33 PM

          E.O. Wilson would be thrilled.

          • yesterday at 6:22 PM

            • davidw

              today at 1:39 AM

              "Ok, but what if we could get the biggest possible magnifying glass to use on the ants?"

              • xipho

                yesterday at 6:30 PM

                When AI is done consuming (and it basically has, except for redundant human-human social network interactions), then will there be a renaissance of re-exploring the natural world? Without understanding its complexities I would posit we're doomed to short and ugly end. Perhaps AI is just what we need to start to re-appreciate it "at scale".

                  • hermitcrab

                    yesterday at 11:10 PM

                    >When AI is done consuming (and it basically has, except for redundant human-human social network interactions), then will there be a renaissance of re-exploring the natural world?

                    Whatever nature that is left after the massive energy and water needs of AI are met.

                    • kermatt

                      yesterday at 7:29 PM

                      > renaissance of re-exploring the natural world

                      I wonder if there was a period of time where people who were inclined to do that were able to dedicate themselves to exploration instead of working to pay for healthcare.

                      I know that's a gross oversimplification, and that quality of life is better now, but when it came to academic pursuits was it more feasible in the past?

                      Or am I just subconsciously reacting to constant negative economic news and wondering if the grass was greener on the other side of the timeline?

                        • aziaziazi

                          yesterday at 9:51 PM

                          If you don’t know the canopy raft, prepare to enjoy:

                          https://www.reforestaction.com/en/magazine/francis-halle-and...

                          Francis Halle dedicated his whole life to forest, I recommend any of his book if you find one in your language.

                          More pictures as videos here https://rainforestslefilm.wordpress.com/forests-canopy-raft/

                          • bee_rider

                            yesterday at 7:38 PM

                            A good chunk of early science was basically funded by nobility sponsoring scientists as sort of… conversation pieces, basically, right? I’m not sure if that gig is still available.

                              • xipho

                                yesterday at 7:40 PM

                                One could argue all science is still funded that way. My team is funded by a philanthrophist. NSF "royalty" re-distributes the peasant's taxes to do science. Etc.

                            • tastyfreeze

                              yesterday at 10:24 PM

                              The majority of early explorers and researchers sought philanthropist to support their desire to explore. They sold the dream to pay for their plan. The frontiers are more specialized now. Getting funding to "explore Africa" would be a hard sell.

                                • mc32

                                  yesterday at 11:55 PM

                                  This was also National Geographic’s modus operandi. They kickstarted exploration. Much of it would have happened eventually but it’d nice to have historical glimpses of what used to be.

                              • estimator7292

                                yesterday at 10:27 PM

                                Yes. Read up on "gentleman scholars" from before the 20th century. An astonishing amount of all our foundational knowledge about the universe comes from wealthy dudes (or with wealthy patrons) exploring science for the sheer hell of it.

                                And when I say astonishing, I mean it. Almost all the foundations of every field were built this way.

                                  • andai

                                    yesterday at 10:51 PM

                                    Did wealthy dudes stop doing science at some point?