I'm a programmer, a creative person, working on my projects, and regularly I need a short break, so on every break I usually lay in bed and checked the news and I often ended on YouTube watching more videos, wasting hours every day.

What eventually helped me was use css to replace entire YouTube (and other doom scrolling websites) with a motivational picture that says:

"One day, you'll realize that your dream died because you chose comfort over effort. Don't let that regret haunt you forever."

And it worked.

Edit: the css for yt looks like this:

    body {
     min-height: 100vh;
     background-image:url(https://example.com/effort.jpg);
     background-size: contain;
     background-repeat: no-repeat; 
     background-position: center; 
     background-color: black;
    }
    p,div,h1,span {display:none}

If you want to make a kids app... Forcing the child to do a number of math problems to continue using the tablet would be an amazing app that I would definitely pay for.

My daughter is a second grader. If every 5 minutes of tablet use 'cost' her 5 correct arithmetic answers she would be working at space x right now.

• graemep

  last Wednesday at 2:08 PM

  It would work short term, but I would worry that it makes a a price to be paid which will impair joy in learning the subject in the long term.

  Its much better to make kids interested in learning than to reward reaching goals or punish failing to reach them.

  • serial_dev

    last Wednesday at 2:26 PM

    On the other hand, the kids might do lot of exercises to keep playing, then they get better at something, then they realize that it is much more enjoyable to be good at something than not...

    Long term, it could still be a win.

    Obviously not the same, but in the first years of university, I hated math because it suddenly got hard (never before university did I have to learn math or physics just to barely pass). Then, after many nights of reading through books and practicing, grinding, I realized it's not that hard and it made me enjoy solving the "challenges".

    • BrandoElFollito

      last Wednesday at 5:26 PM

      I have a PhD in physics and maths always were hard. I ended up having a toolbox to solve my common problems.

      This is still useful after having left academia, I often look at something and the right "tool" pops up from the toolbox. It helos to understand the world around us and realize how much bullshit we are fed through doctored graphs or tables.

    • JadeNB

      last Wednesday at 3:52 PM

      > Then, after many nights of reading through books and practicing, grinding, I realized it's not that hard and it made me enjoy solving the "challenges".

      The only thing I'd change from this wonderful comment is that it is that hard! It's just that, like any other hard skill, lots of dedicated study and practice makes it easier to do hard things.

      • serial_dev

        last Wednesday at 6:47 PM

        Sure!

        What I mean is that before that, I just thought it’s simply too hard for me and the others are smarter or they come from better school. Then, after going through practically 3-5 books for each topic, practically “drilling” exercises, I finally understood why the others “just get it”. It was hard to get myself to sit down, focus, work, practice… but once I worked on a topic for long enough and got better, I realized it’s not magic, I don’t need special talents, and I can just sit down and study most things.

        Then, the classes and exams didn’t give me anxiety anymore, I started to enjoy them, treat exams as challenges rather then the step before receiving another failed exam notification…

        I studied Physics but switched to software engineering and this experience helped me add another tool to my toolbelt when something gets difficult.

        Some perseverance, some time, and we can learn many things. And as you get better, you start to enjoy things.

  • nh23423fefe

    last Wednesday at 2:37 PM

    Is it much better if its not possible? You just handwaved away the work involve by assuming you can create "interest". You shifted the goal post away from using arithmetic as a tax on idle iPad use toward "learning."

    What about chores? How should I make my children interested in chores outside of a reward or punishment?

    • graemep

      last Wednesday at 4:39 PM

      > Is it much better if its not possible

      it is usually possible IMO

      What is the per se benefit of the "tax" if not to encourage learning.?

      > How should I make my children interested in chores outside of a reward or punishment?

      Instill a sense of duty and obligation. Set an example. Children do understand quite young that things need to be done, and they like to help parents.

      • nh23423fefe

        yesterday at 6:44 PM

        > What is the per se benefit of the "tax" if not to encourage learning.

        The tax exists to offset drag of idle ipad time. The tax could be chores, or reading, or arithmetic, or outside play. It doesn't matter.

        I'm not a perfect person to be emulated. I want to offset their desire for hedonic maximization not demand the live up to some standard I can't accomplish. I'm on my phone all day.

  • bitwize

    last Wednesday at 4:19 PM

    Math is a grind. Inherently. You gotta drill the basic arithmetic in order to learn it, and no amount of sugarcoating will make kids like it. So incentivizing kids to commit to the grind will beat attempting to make the subject more interesting, every time. This is the lesson unlearned by proponents of "New Math" and "Common Core" in the USA; in fact, maybe one of the reasons why Singapore Math is so successful is because Singaporeans, like many Asians, learn the value of discipline from an early age.

    • avoutos

      yesterday at 12:29 AM

      As someone who grew up during the heyday of common core, I can attest to this. Standardization is not a bad thing, but the pace and complexity were dumbed down. We were taught arithmatic with block visualisations and "bundles" far too long as if it took great effort to understand the abstraction of arabic numerals. I constantly felt like my desire and aptitude to learn outpaced the learning materials supplied and I have never considered myself "gifted" with math.

      I think many will be surprised by the amount children can learn if you actually test the limit of their capabilities.

      I feel the limiting factor when it comes to learning increasingly difficult concepts is not intelligence but effort. Often teachers and parents may mistake the attention-span deficits of kids for a sign that the material is too hard, when the ability is there and only needs to be distilled with discipline.

    • graemep

      last Wednesday at 4:40 PM

      > You gotta drill the basic arithmetic in order to learn it

      Do less arithmetic. We have calculators so arithmetic matters less.

      > no amount of sugarcoating will make kids like it.

      Sugarcoating is exactly the wrong approach. Its making the subject itself enjoyable.

      https://profkeithdevlin.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/lockh...

      > This is the lesson unlearned by proponents of "New Math" and "Common Core" in the USA

      Not familiar with those, but I the "its fun" approach has worked for me.

      • ThrowawayR2

        last Wednesday at 7:09 PM

        "We have calculators so arithmetic matters less" you say?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-pound_burger#Marketing_f...

        "The results revealed that many participants mistakenly believed that one-third of a pound was smaller than one-fourth (quarter) of a pound. Focus group participants expressed confusion over the price, asking why they should pay the same amount for a "smaller" third-pound burger."

        • graemep

          last Wednesday at 7:49 PM

          I agree with that, but most of those people probably can do arithmetic and were drilled in it at school, but drill to get the right answers does not teach you how to apply it.

      • SoftTalker

        last Wednesday at 5:33 PM

        > We have calculators so arithmetic matters less.

        Disagee. Fluency in basic arithmetic is a very useful life skill.

        • graemep

          last Wednesday at 7:51 PM

          Some things are. Being able to estimate rough answers in your head is far more useful than being able to do an exact answer with pen and paper.

      • lazystar

        last Wednesday at 5:09 PM

        > Do less arithmetic. We have calculators so arithmetic matters less.

        would you also posit that, since we have AI auto gen tools, we no longer need to teach spelling/grammar to children?

        • graemep

          last Wednesday at 7:50 PM

          Very different skills.

          I would not teach spelling by drill and memorisation either - you pick it up if you read.

      • hobs

        last Wednesday at 6:48 PM

        It matters less, but the lack of numeracy means many people are befuddled by the most basic math related conversations, statistical conversations (polling), fraction or rate based (APR? Taxes???) things - all over the place.

        Learning the basics and drilling them is a useful skill even if you can make the machine do it for you.

        • graemep

          last Wednesday at 7:49 PM

          But most of those people befuddled by these things were drilled in it, but do not know how to apply it. Drill without understanding.

• debunn

  last Wednesday at 3:17 PM

  Might I suggest https://www.prodigygame.com - it's a free-to-play online math game, where your child is a wizard that has to answer (age appropriate) math questions to gain magic to cast spells. Note: there is a paid subscription that allows your child to get access to more pets / faster experience gain, but is not required.

  While this isn't a "do math to be able to unlock your device" type of game, it is fun to play and can be used as an earned screen-time requirement (or a "free screen-time" option!)

  Disclaimer: I work for Prodigy as a Site Reliability Engineer, but my son (10) also enjoys playing the game!

• MagnumOpus

  last Wednesday at 4:38 PM

  The Anton app[0] does that to a decent extent. The kids have to earn "coins" by solving math/English/other school tasks, and can spend these coins on a huge variety of mini games.

  For use on a tablet, you'd have to lock down the tablet to that single app by putting it into Kiosk mode/Single App mode.

  [0] https://anton.app

• abootstrapper

  last Wednesday at 7:28 PM

  I don’t think it’s possible to build this app on an iPad. But, I taught my kids my phone number by making it their passcode. Before that I used it to teach them how to spell their name.

• dekervin

  last Wednesday at 1:44 PM

  Can I reach you over email ? Mine is in profile ! I want to share something not ready for primetime.

  • mikesabat

    last Wednesday at 2:06 PM

    I sent an email - excited to see what you've got.

• quantadev

  last Wednesday at 2:12 PM

  It certainly seems like someone would've invented a Kid Friendly phone by now that's completely safe, and doesn't allow access to the "real" internet at all, but only an ability to send texts without images, make voice calls, etc. Now that we have AI it would be easier, an you could potentially give "Google" access that's censored into a "child friendly" output by the AI. You could have a texting app where friends can talk, but only to kids in their own school for example, or at least limited by geographical area, to foster friendships IRL, rather than some Chinese Bot being able to trick your kid into eating Tide Pods or whatever their latest Attack on America happens to be.

  But TBH making kids continually solve math problems seems a bit mean to me. Like making a kid do pushups for food if they're overweight. Too militaristic and authoritarian for my liking, but I can respect your creativity for creating that. It's good to try new ideas.

  • akho

    yesterday at 6:04 AM

    “Child friendly output” is not a solution. It is the problem. I trust my 9-yo to avoid porn or violence; I don’t trust him to be able to resist the hours of inane content on YouTube Kids &c. Using AI to facilitate access to more of that, while censoring reality, is the opposite of what’s needed.

    • quantadev

      yesterday at 5:36 PM

      > I trust my 9-yo

      Welp, there's your first mistake.

  • graemep

    last Wednesday at 4:48 PM

    So make a phone without all the things that make it so profitable? Limit what they can be sold? You would have to sell it at a premium for less functionality.

    There are ways of locking down phones and apps, I think. I am pretty sure there are apps that will do most of what you want, but they do not have critical mass.

    I did set up a Jitsi server for my daughter and her friends at one point when another parent was not keen on allowing kids access to chat and video apps.

    You can give kids a basic phone instead of a smartphone.

    • quantadev

      last Wednesday at 5:02 PM

      Right, I didn't mean it necessarily had to be on it's own hardware. I don't have any Android development experience, but it seems like android could have a version that's as locked down a this.

      If I had kids I wouldn't even allow use of a smartphone. I think hardly any BigTech execs let their own kids use these dumpster fires called smartphones and social media. They know there's almost zero benefits to it. Just leads to brain damage, laziness, ADHD, psychological disorders like depression, life-threatening risk-taking, and even su*cicd.

      • graemep

        last Wednesday at 5:26 PM

        Depends on age, individual, usage and circumstances. My kids had phones as teens, and they were useful to some extent. It also depends what they do - social media + doomscrolling is the worst thing.

        There is Android support for locking things down for kids, but I do not know how effective it is - mine are adults of close to being an adult now.

        Its also hard to do without. I would have to pay a lot more for my daughter's bus tickets to get to school if she did not use the bus company app (because that would mean daily tickets instead of monthly which are a lot cheaper). Its where a lot of kids not only discuss things and social, but organise things (although I encourage doing that at a desktop rather than a phone when possible) so kids without get left out.

        • quantadev

          last Wednesday at 9:55 PM

          I agree with all that. Nowadays kids are so addicted to phones, the phone is like a toy (even like a baby pacifier) that they simply never outgrow even into adulthood. They can't sit at a stoplight without needing a "fix" like a junkie. It's so sad.

          • graemep

            yesterday at 7:55 AM

            I somewhat agree, and it is very harmful, but adults who did not have phones as kids can be just as bad. I have even seen someone posting on social media (with a photo of what was happening) to complain about a child not putting their device down!

            It is not just sad, it is harmful. "What is life if full of care, we have no time to stand and stare". It is the opposite of mindfulness.

            • quantadev

              yesterday at 5:38 PM

              I dunno. My formative years were the 1970s, and I don't think anyone my age will have a genuine panic attack if denied access to their pacifier like today's kids (and adults) do.

              • meansob

                yesterday at 5:41 PM

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  • dylan604

    last Wednesday at 5:27 PM

    I'd rather solve math problems than CAPTCHAs any day of the week.

    • quantadev

      last Wednesday at 6:07 PM

      But would you make your kid do CAPTCHAs every time they need to earn some privilege? We're talking about what's appropriate for kids, not what's easy or hard for adults or kids. I mean why not make them earn dessert by doing push-ups? Because it's mean, that's why.

      • dylan604

        last Wednesday at 7:40 PM

        If it was up to me, I'd make them do 5 push ups and 5 crunches instead. Or putting the devices down altogether. It's not mean to make your kids do physical activity. In fact, if you are not making them do physical activity, I'd say you are negligent as a parent. I guarantee you that if you had your kids start doing pushups and crunches they would get to the point of it being a nothing burger to do it. It will be a bunch of moaning and complaining at the start, but that goes away. It's just as much of a conditioning as the kid crying and being rewarded with a device.

        • quantadev

          last Wednesday at 9:59 PM

          If you wanna have successful kids just make 'em solve a coding challenge on a white board for food and/or medical and dental care, whereby noncompliance or failure earns them a night out in the tent in the back yard, especially in winter. You wanna be a disciplinarian, then let's get it right, amirite?

          • dylan604

            yesterday at 2:19 AM

            no, now you're just being obstinate because you think it's cool on the internet or something. if you think doing 5 push ups and 5 crunches is punishment, then we're just on different planets. fine, if you're so against physical exercise. then make the ankle biters clean their room, take out the trash, walk the dog (oops physical exercise again), or any of a number of other things. unless you're one of those parents who thinks chores are too taxing for their sweetwiddleones

            • quantadev

              yesterday at 3:09 AM

              I think you took my post a bit too seriously. I have no kids, but I just know the topic of how to discipline children is hotly debated among the "experts" (if there are any).

A lot of people are objecting to the "loser" unlock key. A lot of ideas about what to do instead. I think the biggest problem with social media is the loss of attention span.

So I think it should force you to stare into the camera for 180 seconds without context switching to unlock. Practice focus to unlock distraction.

• kevindamm

  last Wednesday at 5:35 PM

  180 seems very high to me and I've already quit social networks (well, except for some forum-like ones such as HN).

  I like the idea, though, maybe five minutes for every 30 seconds of non-distracted gaze? Or something like that and tunable. Maybe even dynamic to the amount of time spent scrolling the feed in the last x hours?

  • loloquwowndueo

    last Wednesday at 6:28 PM

    > 180 seems very high to me

    Sounds like you would benefit from training 3 minutes at a time for starters!

  • recursive

    last Wednesday at 6:19 PM

    People burn through half an hour scrolling like it was nothing. 3 minutes is a bargain!

    • pona-a

      last Wednesday at 7:55 PM

      Maybe it can auto-relock on a timer, while the required time increases every time?

      • recursive

        last Wednesday at 8:09 PM

        Whatever floats your boat! But I'm wary of creating reversed incentives.

        I can't let it lock! That would increase the cost. Must keep scrolling.

  • dankwizard

    yesterday at 5:35 AM

    If 180 is high you've got Tiktok Brain my friend.

    • kevindamm

      yesterday at 6:30 PM

      If the task is to look at a camera lens uninterrupted, yeah, it's high. If it's reading or doing a creative endeavor, that's very brief. I was speaking in terms of the camera lens. There are so many other things I would rather be doing for three-plus minutes, and none of them are TikTok

This is cute, but in all seriousness it would be much more effective to shout "I'm a winner"

Research:

- https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3354773/ – Low self-esteem + rejection hurts self-control

- https://selfdeterminationtheory.org/SDT/documents/2007_Power... – Self-criticism predicts less goal progress

- https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9916102/ – Social exclusion slows inhibitory control

- https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2023.1191... – Low teen self-esteem → poorer self-control

- https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8768475/ – Meta-analysis links shame to regulation drops

- https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28810473/ – Self-compassion boosts self-regulation

- https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312138882_Self-Cont... – Ego threats deplete self-control resources

- https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21632968/ – Self-criticism tied to worse goal progress

- https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-96476-8 – Low self-respect → low self-control → problems

Remember to be kind to yourself.

• hodder

  last Wednesday at 1:08 PM

  But the point is you aren't a winner if you are unlocking social media. You are opening the gate to loserdom. I'm not sure how the I'm a winner concept would apply here using one of the four methods of operant conditioning.

  The research stands, but the practical application of his app is based on a Positive Punishment operant conditioning.

  • haswell

    last Wednesday at 1:33 PM

    > you aren't a winner if you are unlocking social media. You are opening the gate to loserdom

    That is not a psychologically healthy way to frame this.

    And I think it’s a stretch to say that screaming “I’m a loser” is positive punishment, which seems just as likely to reinforce negative self beliefs that lead to the outcomes described in the parent comment’s research and opposite of what the user presumably wants.

    To your point, just flipping this around to “I’m a winner” doesn’t seem quite right either. But more importantly, reinforcing the idea that “I’m a loser” seems counterproductive either way.

    • janalsncm

      last Wednesday at 5:57 PM

      > And I think it’s a stretch to say that screaming “I’m a loser” is positive punishment

      A positive punishment is giving the subject something they don’t like. For example corporeal punishment.

      A negative punishment is taking away something the subject does like. For example food.

      Importantly punishments need to happen after the unwanted behavior. So being punished before the behavior occurs doesn’t make any sense.

      • haswell

        last Wednesday at 7:37 PM

        > Importantly punishments need to happen after the unwanted behavior. So being punished before the behavior occurs doesn’t make any sense.

        Also importantly, punishment as a mechanism for changing behavior is generally considered less effective than reinforcement approaches, which tend to be more effective and carry fewer downsides (like internalizing the idea that I'm a loser).

    • nemomarx

      last Wednesday at 2:08 PM

      Positive in the conditioning sense just means "something you have to do" where a negative punishment would be something being removed. It doesn't specify if the outcome is bad or good

      • haswell

        last Wednesday at 3:08 PM

        Fair. I was conflating this with positive reinforcement, and the nuance of the terminology got a bit mixed up.

        To your last point, I think the conclusion remains similar. Even if yelling “I’m a loser” qualifies as “something you have to do”, it seems unlikely to be an effective “punishment” in that framework for the reasons explored above.

    • latexr

      last Wednesday at 1:57 PM

      > To your point, just flipping this around to “I’m a winner” doesn’t seem quite right either. But more importantly, reinforcing the idea that “I’m a loser” seems counterproductive either way.

      Maybe the solution would be to have to shout something embarrassing but not deprecating towards your own self-worth. Like “I eat spaghetti through my nose” or “my poop comes out really soft”. You’d certainly avoid using social media in public.

      • haswell

        last Wednesday at 3:16 PM

        I think the issue is more broad though.

        While a “punishment” that involves calling oneself a loser is a problem, the entire approach of punishment-based learning has given way to reinforcement approaches because they tend to be more effective in the long term without the negative effects of punishment-based approaches.

        To put this another way, using punishment to stop using social media is probably not a good approach either way. Yelling “I’m a loser” is just one of the worst variants of this specific approach.

    • asdf6969

      last Wednesday at 11:35 PM

      > That is not a psychologically healthy way to frame this.

      But lying to yourself is so much worse. Eventually you won’t hold the illusion anymore and you’ll crash hard. It’s better to be honest and grounded in reality if you want any improvement to be sustainable

    • doublerabbit

      last Wednesday at 1:50 PM

      Just because surveys say X = Y it doesn't necessary mean it has to apply to everyone's mindset.

      • haswell

        last Wednesday at 2:08 PM

        In practice, I have never encountered a person who benefits from such negative self beliefs in the long term, or anyone who would claim they were beneficial. My perspective on this is driven by many years of real world experience with addiction and related communities, and more personal exploration of the negative bias than I can quantify.

        There’s a good reason addiction recovery is now often focused on the underlying issues of shame and other negative self beliefs. They tend to be at the root of the issue, despite being the default reaction people feel towards themselves due to social conditioning.

        • doublerabbit

          last Wednesday at 2:16 PM

          Your not wrong, I do agree. But for a pet-project, it's a bit of fun? Or should we just face it.

          Everyone is a loser for using social media?

          • haswell

            last Wednesday at 2:52 PM

            This just doesn’t land for me.

            Quite a bit of social media use happens for perfectly good reasons. Organizing local events, finding and attending local events, meeting people in other regions who care about a common cause, etc.

            What tends to distress people is that social media is also a toxic hellscape that simultaneously stresses them out and addicts them by playing on their evolutionary instincts and needs for social connection while feeding them engagement bait.

            And so unplugging is a common topic these days, because people are trying to live better lives.

            I get that it’s a pet project, but if this pet project was aimed at alcoholics trying to get sober, I think people would look at it in a different light because people take alcoholism seriously, and reinforcing negative loops that actually perpetuate alcoholism would be justifiably criticized.

            I personally don’t think we’re taking social media harms seriously enough collectively, although there are signs that people are catching up. So while I think this project comes from the right place and I’m all for having a bit of fun, I think it’s actually quite problematic in its current state given the issue it attempts to address, and I don’t think the fact that it’s intended to be fun should shield it from the feedback it’s getting.

            > Or should we just face it.

            The sentence following this is just objectively false to a degree that I don’t even see the humor in it. It’s schoolyard stuff that perpetuates the problem.

            • doublerabbit

              last Wednesday at 3:13 PM

              I use none of Social Media other than HN, which could be classified as such.

              I know and see the damage upon. We've let social media control us.

              • haswell

                last Wednesday at 3:29 PM

                > We've let social media control us.

                For most people, social media is something that happened to them, and the nature of the relationship is asymmetrical.

                The companies building these products spend millions weaponizing their apps to take advantage of human psychology, while social forces have made these apps ubiquitous and part of the fabric of many people’s lives.

                I don’t think it’s fair to say people “let” social media control them any more than it’s fair to say someone predisposed to alcoholism “lets” alcohol control them.

                This isn’t to say we don’t need to each take steps to improve our situations or unplug from social media, but I’m pointing this out because of how it relates to your earlier diagnosis that “Everyone who uses social media is a loser”, which points the finger in the wrong direction and frames the issue as a personal problem vs. a growing systemic social issue.

      • latexr

        last Wednesday at 2:00 PM

        Of course not everyone. That goes without saying, everyone is different and you’ll always find someone who is an exception. But when you build something for other people to use, it is useful to understand what is the most common mindset for your audience.

  • stared

    last Wednesday at 1:42 PM

    Yes - but then you go into the vicious cycle. Something in the line of The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry:

    Why are you drinking? — the little prince asked.

    - In order to forget — replied the drunkard.

    - To forget what? — inquired the little prince, who was already feeling sorry for him.

    - To forget that I am ashamed — the drunkard confessed, hanging his head.

    - Ashamed of what? — asked the little prince who wanted to help him.

    - Ashamed of drinking! — concluded the drunkard, withdrawing into total silence.

    ---

    What helps is self-forgiveness and being gentle towards oneself. (I also was in the mode of guilt-tripping myself; and still, I do that often. But it does not help.)

  • jigarjain

    last Wednesday at 1:20 PM

    I imagine what the OP meant is that when you feel you are wasting time on Social Media, if you say "I am a winner / I am better than this" (or something more positive), it will block the social media for you. So basically the reverse.

    • 9rx

      last Wednesday at 1:40 PM

      What suggests that shouting "I am a winner" is less annoying than shouting "I am a loser"? In fact, not just less annoying, but it has to be pleasant as in that scenario you would have to scream it while you are already struggling with impulse control. Even the slightest reason to not to do so would see you not do it in that type of situation.

  • packersville

    last Wednesday at 2:47 PM

    “Don't speak negatively about yourself, even as a joke. Your body doesn't know the difference. Words are energy and they cast spells, that's why it's called spelling. Change the way you speak about yourself, and you can change your life.”

    - Bruce Lee

  • ljm

    last Wednesday at 2:27 PM

    If you’re addicted to scrolling social media then you’ll just get used to calling yourself a loser to get another fix. Or you just uninstall the extension.

    There needs to be a healthier alternative to that replaces the social media habit, that is reinforced by enjoying it. I do this by reading books I wouldn’t normally read, which also gives me a reason to browse indie bookshops.

  • last Wednesday at 1:30 PM

  • janalsncm

    last Wednesday at 5:58 PM

    Punishments need to follow unwanted behavior, not precede them. This is a technically interesting demo but it isn’t effective.

  • snek_case

    last Wednesday at 2:01 PM

    Then the command should probably be "I summon you to open the gate to loserdom!"

  • jlongr

    last Wednesday at 1:49 PM

    You're on social media.

• egypturnash

  last Wednesday at 3:59 PM

  hmm, maybe

  "social media is for losers, and I'm a winner!"

  might be both comedic and positive?

  Maybe that's a little too close to the WINNERS DON'T USE DRUGS! splash screens that dominated the video games of my youth. We all snickered at those and I don't think it made a bit of difference. Dunno. Heck of a thing to holler when you're on the bus or whatever before you can get your fix, that's for sure.

• jerf

  last Wednesday at 1:49 PM

  I have on some occasions been tempted to wire up a shock collar to myself (or equivalent) and do some experiment for things like not visiting social media websites during certain times, but I find myself concerned that I may be reaching way, way further down the metaphorical "brain stack" than I really intend with that and could do some seriously weird things to myself in the process. So far I've always judged that risk as greater than the reward.

  Yelling "I'm a loser" too much reminds me of that, though on a different level of the "brain stack". I get the sentiment, and I understand the somewhat playful intent, but quite seriously I'd suggest something more neutral at the very least. Maybe it's completely harmless, but that's clearly the best case scenario, and it goes down hill fast after that. "First, do no harm" strikes me as relevant here, and important as ever.

• serial_dev

  last Wednesday at 2:19 PM

  Then it would be even simpler to build an app, because if you shout "I'm a winner", the extension doesn't need to do anything at all, just keep everything blocked as before...

  Be kind to yourself, but think through the problem before sending a week worth of research articles.

• janalsncm

  last Wednesday at 5:54 PM

  It could work if they were rewarded for not opening social media. Otherwise that doesn’t make sense.

• patcon

  last Wednesday at 4:37 PM

  If only there was an API to only allow closing an app on a specific condition.

  Then you could make it so the pain was in leaving to go back to other work, so you'd enter knowing it would not be an easy exit. (But you'd get to yell self-affirming things on exit :) )

• toss1

  last Wednesday at 2:58 PM

  For sure, important to be kind to yourself.

  But screaming "I'm a winner" doesn't do it either, and is perhaps even more undermining

  Everyone knows if you yourself have to say "I'm randomPositiveAttribute", whether it is "winner", "genius", "brilliant", "good-looking", etc., you are NOT that — you are just a loser trying to tell everyone you are somehow a winner.

  Perhaps the best thing to yell is the most straightforward — "Unlock Social Media Now!". It doesn't overtly characterize you, it honestly exposes your weakness, which is probably a more powerful shaming de-motivator.

It's crazy I am/was a reddit user and it's like a compulsion. I now only look at news, worldnews and combatfootage but I keep reaching for something. The other thing is YouTube which I'm trying to stick to the educational stuff of people making things (I did get premium)'

Otherwise Hacker News or freelance/indiehacker sites

edit: I do have a hobby (making hardware stuff) but I fell out of it/trying to get back into it (motivation) and work multiple jobs, but on downtime trying to do mindless stuff which isn't always bad/need a mental break

You should run with this idea!

Now make a "Dungeon Crawler Carl" -branded one that requires a webcam, bare feet, and nail polish!

Perhaps a better approach would be to randomly replace links in your social media app with links to a random image of what you imagine to be a social media addict, or someone who has ruined their lives due to social media. Perpahs with a message like "This will be you in X years". Hopefully over time the subconscious parts of your brain will get the message. In your current approach, the signalling is largely aimed at the conscious part, which is usually not where the problem lies.

• 9rx

  last Wednesday at 1:51 PM

  > links to a random image of what you imagine to be a social media addict, or someone who has ruined their lives due to social media.

  Wouldn't that simply be a picture of himself?

• jiehong

  last Wednesday at 3:45 PM

  That’s the idea of the disturbing pictures on packs of cigarettes in Germany.

  Not sure it works as well on people already addicted compared to people not yet addicted.

The relevant code: https://github.com/Pankajtanwarbanna/scream-to-unlock/blob/m...

Are you sure Chrome doesn't talk to Google's server to convert the speech to text?

• ethan_smith

  last Wednesday at 4:06 PM

  Chrome's Web Speech API does indeed send audio to Google's servers by default unless you're using the newer SpeechRecognition API with continuous=false and interimResults=true for local processing.

• sodimel

  last Wednesday at 1:33 PM

  It seems to send the data to google's servers.

  > Note: On some browsers, like Chrome, using Speech Recognition on a web page involves a server-based recognition engine. Your audio is sent to a web service for recognition processing, so it won't work offline.

  https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Speech_...

Far from me criticizing people with disabilities. But are we, as a generation, really that desperate to use these kind of solutions to just control our impulses? Listen, I sometime spend my Saturday just doom scrolling and watching useless shorts for all day beside eating meals, doing nothing productive. But I can stop whenever I can. If you find hard stopping your compulsive behavior you have some other problem that these kind of apps can't solve.

• dylan604

  last Wednesday at 5:29 PM

  I love it when normies come in and criticize addicts for having a lack of impulse control. Maybe we are not willing to use the addiction word, but until we accept people are addicted, we're never going to solve anything.

  • wraptile

    yesterday at 4:33 AM

    Except things like this are not treatment but just memes

    • dylan604

      yesterday at 2:25 PM

      If you think addiction to using a device is a meme, then we do have problems. Screaming to unlock, yes, is not useful in correcting addictive behavior. That doesn't mean the issue attempting to be addressed is not an actual problem though. Redirecting the conversation back to the actual problem is better than just throwing the baby out with the bath water because this attempt at the problem isn't a real solve

I had similar efforts. so I made a Chrome extension that helps you be more mindful of your social media usage by prompting you to think twice before visiting social media sites. If you really want to see, just wait after the counting down:

https://github.com/chaosprint/twice

I genuinely don't get this. Let's say you believe it's an addiction - how is this an acceptable treatment? Would we justify something like this for alcoholics? "Scream you're a loser for another can of beer"

I'm not attacking this project and OP per se but if we do believe that social media addiction is a real problem we're approaching it in very immature ways. It's either an easy problem than can be solved with temperance or its a hard problem that needs to be solved with real science based tools. Anything in-between seems like it could be more harmful than helpful.

• ramblerman

  yesterday at 6:58 AM

  you talk as if people have never overcome addiction with sheer willpower.

  • wraptile

    yesterday at 8:16 AM

    Not sure what makes you think that way. I explictly said easy issues can be overcome with temperance (i.e. willpower) and hard issues need strong scientific based solutions. "Scream I'm a loser" is neither.

Good idea. Could be applied to other self-destructive categories: Porn, hookup apps, etc.

• busymom0

  last Wednesday at 9:59 PM

  I created a similar app which locks your addictive apps until you exercise (climb stairs, bike, run etc) to earn screen time points. It's called Run for Fun:

  https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/run-for-fun-screen-time-focus/...

Ha, might be more effective to have to say some long passage; could see myself eventually saying "I'm a loser" habitually to access the sites without internalizing the meaning.

Does singing the Beck song work?

For the v0 captcha contest I was going to create a scream captcha where you have to scream really loudly to verify, but I got caught up with work. Nice job!

For a subset of the population, this will have an inverse incentive. To support those people, perhaps have a toggle that requires them to say “I’m a good person”?

• draw_down

  last Wednesday at 2:27 PM

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Funny idea. I don't think I am a loser. But I'm pretty sure I'm addicted. So I'd prefer that sentence.

I found inverting colors in Accessibility settings works great. Phone is still useable, but everything feels strange and icky.

That's brilliant! Please make a Firefox extension too!

Can't you just uninstall the extension?

• yellow_lead

  last Wednesday at 1:25 PM

  In order to uninstall it, you must scream "I'm a huge loser." (Just kidding)

  • throwawayq3423

    last Wednesday at 4:03 PM

    You have to sit through a 10 hour YouTube video of Beck's Loser.

• ndarray

  last Wednesday at 2:35 PM

  That's the problem with habit blocking extensions. A theoretical workaround would be to create two extensions - only make them work when both are installed and when one notices that the other got disabled, it does something like deleting your login credentials, or some form of reversible but very annoying punishment.

  • netsharc

    last Wednesday at 2:49 PM

    There's such a URL-blocking extension, that cam be programmed to block the chrome://extensions URL...

As much as I hate to say it, forcing users to look at ads probably does a decent job of limiting social media time, at least it would for me.

On TikTok you can just swipe through ads when they come up, so lots of people now have built-in muscle memory to auto-swipe every 4th or 5th video, or if they see "Sponsored" in the lower left. If I was instead forced to watch every one of those through to completion, I'd spend a lot less time on there.

So you think screaming 'im a loser' 10 times an hour is going to be good for mental health?

• serial_dev

  last Wednesday at 2:28 PM

  You could also just stop visiting those sites that you previously decided were bad for you... Then you don't need to scream "I'm a loser".

At last verification can technology is real. YC better swoop this one up. It's going places.

Haha, definetely needed.

Great work

This is hilarious. I can already imagine the real outcome though: I repeat "I'm a loser" 20-30 times a day, internalise it, and destroy my mental health even further :)

Now ship something that requires a convincing demonstration of inner peace before allowing the user access to X Dot Com The Everything App, and you'll really be cooking with fire.

• netsharc

  last Wednesday at 2:48 PM

  Use the front-camera and tell the user to meditate for 30 seconds/algorithmically watch them while they do so.

  I guess web browsers don't have integrated face recognition APIs yet, although phones could probably do this

  • throwanem

    last Wednesday at 5:12 PM

    iPhones could do it well, using the face ID lidar to measure the user's pupils. (It already does this, taking advantage of the property that they are reflective in IR.) Androids with only a front camera would do it poorly. But either would require pairing with a wearable capable of SpO2, skin galvanometry, HR measurement, etc., in order to credibly analyze physiological stress.

    I suppose it needs clarifying that I say this all in jest, not as any kind of serious suggestion. Among other reasons, it would only improve the tone and not the substance.

• throwaway889900

  last Wednesday at 4:57 PM

  Blade Runner 2049 style interrogation to prove you're not in a bad state of mind huh?

  • throwanem

    last Wednesday at 5:13 PM

    I mean, it is social media. Will you really say you never heard an idea you liked less?

Does it work with LinkedIn

That volume bar could be labeled "Humiliation:"

Could customize the user call out

Maybe something like “I know this is the opposite of socializing but I want to give in the the mindless algorithmic manipulation for a little longer anyways”

LOl hilarious!

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It should be “I’m addicted” instead of “I’m a loser”. Forcing someone to call themselves a loser over and over eventually weighs heavy on the soul, how would you feel if a user did it so many times one day they just decided to kill themselves? The blood is on your hands.