Is there a daily NYT word game called Waffle? I don't think so?

Wordle - NYT daily word game. https://www.nytimes.com/games/wordle/index.html

Waffle - some other game. https://wafflegame.net/

• ilikepi

  01/17/2025

  Weird...the NYT is referenced only in the Introduction, and never is it suggested that there is an affiliation between the New York Times and the game Waffle or its creator. They really only reference Wordle to note that Waffle has some very loose similarities, like the fact that they both use letter tiles and both use different colors to hint where those tiles go.

  Makes me wonder if the title of the article was generated by an LLM.

  EDIT: add context; fix typo

  • beardyw

    01/17/2025

    And of course NYT only bought Wordle, so the likeness would be to Wordle, nothing to do with NYT at all.

    I like Waffle a lot, and thought about the best strategy for creating the grids, which is probably just a lot of trial and error.

    • jamesjessian

      01/18/2025

      Oh, glad to hear that you like it :) I created Waffle.

      Yes, it's sort of evolved over time really. Brute force with heuristics, I'd say. The word list is certainly important, along with a few other things that I like to think keep the level of quality above the inferior knock-offs.

      • beardyw

        01/20/2025

        Thanks for reaching out. I have done some word games for my own amusement and surprised myself how quickly I can try and reject permutations even in JavaScript. It has felt like the opportunity for a clever algorithm has been robbed!

      • knmx

        01/21/2025

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  • dang

    01/17/2025

    Hmm strange! Well, we've de-NYT'd the title above.

• jamesjessian

  01/18/2025

  Yes, I can confirm (as the creator) that it is not a NYT game. I wanted to create something as simple as Wordle, but that didn't rely on luck. I presume that the author put NYT in the title to catch attention. I can't think why else.

• russellbeattie

  01/17/2025

  > "This note explores some mathematics associated with the word game Waffle, which has similar rules to Wordle."

  I was about to point out the same thing. The title should read "NYT-like."

• 01/17/2025

• 01/17/2025

Interesting! I think there is a lot of math going on in these kind of games. I have noticed interesting patterns in my game https://videopuzzle.org/ as well.

In daily mode, everyone gets a video scrambled into 4x4 pieces, in the same way, and needs to unscramble it. The operations available to unscramble a video are swapping a tile, and shifting the entire board. The lowest score every day is usually 12-14, but sometimes much lower.

Before I introduced the shifting function, surprisingly, every puzzle could only be solved in an either even or odd number of moves. Some days, all solutions would be 12-14-16 etc, while other days only 13-15-17 were possible. The arrows have changed this, as you can sometimes shave another move off if you use it smartly.

• wetmore

  01/17/2025

  Google even and odd permutations to learn more :)

  • JadeNB

    01/17/2025

    What a lovely independent discovery! The context is similar to the (un)solvability of the 15 puzzle.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_puzzle#Solvability

  • oliwary

    01/17/2025

    Ahhh fascinating! :) Thank you for the pointer.

• jamesjessian

  01/18/2025

  Oh, this is very relaxing. Lovely game!

I just found the following version of the Waffle game: https://wordle-nyt.org/waffle

The host name includes “nyt”, but the web page doesn’t seem to be owned by the New York Times.

• jamesjessian

  01/18/2025

  No, it's just a knock-off, attempting to pass off as something affiliated with NYT. I like to think our original game at wafflegame.net is still the superior choice!

https://wordwaffle.org/

• realaleris149

  01/18/2025

  Or https://wafflegame.net which looks a bit more polished.

  • jamesjessian

    01/18/2025

    Yes, I agree :)

    Thank you. I try to keep it neat and tidy, despite the ads. I spent more time on the drag and drop aesthetics than anything else before I first released it. The little things really do matter, after all.

Interesting game where you may not know the word but can solve it by using logic regarding the swaps.